US jets bomb Assad tank convoy advancing on coalition base in Syria

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  1. Baff

    Baff Well-Known Member

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    I made no Arab Threat.

    You may feel there to be an Arab Threat. But I made none.
    The only threat I made, is one that has this backing.
    NATO.

    If you attack a NATO member, we will destroy your arses.
     
  2. Gilos

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    What NATO member can Israel attack ?
    You threatened my country existance the same way the Arabs do all the time, I can tell piss from rain since I was 4.
     
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    We were discussing attacking Turkey.
    Turkey is a NATO member.

    Isreal attacks Turkey and it's gone. Poof. Nothing left but dust and ashes.
     
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    The Turk here was the one that made threats on Israel, in what scenario can Israel attack Turkey ?? it's the Sultan that makes threats, Israel didnt even respond to his latest Jihad call on Jerusalem - how did you conclude it may attack Turkey ??

    EDIT: I could have been wrong and it was all fantasy talk, in that case it wasnt an Arab threat but Arab porn...
     
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    In no scenario can Israel attack Turkey.
    Sorry.

    They can make as many threats as they like. As can Israel.

    It's not that Israel can't physically attack Turkey, only that should they choose to do so, we will destroy them.

    I think the scenario offered was one in which Turkey got involved in either breaking an Isreali embargo or embargoing Israel itself.
    But I can't be arsed to page back and check. Sorry.

    To give you some idea, When a Turkish plane shoots down a Russian Plane, Russia has to suck it up. Israel?
    ROFLLMAO. Wrong league.

    Israeli's nuclear capability pretty much assures the method of it's defeat.
    If we need to disarm you, there is only one way left to do it.
     
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    Turkey can boycott Israel tomorrow if they want, Israel wont attack them for it like it didnt attack other Muslim countries that boycott it, attacking a country for not trading with you sounds dumb to me.
    However if they send battle ships to Gaza to bust the blockade then its them attacking us siding with Hamas which is at war with Israel - it's within their rights ofc but its them declaring war on us and NATO is not forced to align with them, you may want NATO to attack Israel but in such scenario it is much more likely that Turkey will break NATO alliance with such action.
     
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    They can send their ships anywhere they like. If they want to go to Gaza, no problem.
    That is between them and the people of Gaza.

    No one is forcing anyone in NATO to align with anyone. We volunteer to.
    You attack them, we attack you.

    We don't actually like you. We do actually like them. They are our allies, you are not.
    More than this, they are one of our most valuable allies and Israel just a tiny little rogue state. We will fight Russia for them and we will fight you too.
    Russia should give us a lot of trouble. Isreal? None whatsoever.
     
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    Russia didnt have to suck it up its more than capable to wage war on Turkey but prefered not to, if we had the same incident with Turkey we might as well "suck it up" too - but if they send jets to attack Israel its a whole diffrent story, I get the feeling its just fantasy talk, you can't really touch us so you make these fantasy scenarios ? am I right ? :)
    This one is called "Arab porn".
    Who's "we" ?
     
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    So I guess they dont like Gaza very much huh.....
    Who's "we" again ?
    I need to know who's "we", are you the leader of some new terror organization or did you wake up today and decided you speak for England and control its army.
     
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    I think Israel can't be a NATO member because Turkiye doesn't allow them to be. Just as Austria. They kicked out of the partnership exercises because Turkiye vetoed them. Israel bombed a NATO ship back in 67. That ship is called USS Liberty.
     
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    Russia is more than capable of waging war on Turkey.
    But Turkey doesn't stand alone.
    Turkey is with us.

    You've got the same problem.

    If Turkey randomly sent jets to bomb Israel and Israel shot some down, I strongly doubt we would enact the NATO treaty.

    Breaking an embargo on Gaza however? Peacefully sailing their ships into national waters they have been invited into?
    All bets are off.


    "We" is in this case, NATO.
    The most powerful military alliance the world has ever seen.

    I don't speak for anyone but myself. And this is my opinion.

    In terms of domestic popular assent, this would create difficulties in the USA and pretty much no other NATO country.
     
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    So if its that simple why dont they ?

    So send your peacful ships and see what happens.
     
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    That's a children excuse btw, who you personally like has no bearing on who NATO will declare war on, we have strong ties with at least a few NATO members as well you know.
     
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    Correction: INTERNATIONAL WATERS !
     
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    It's also a direct violation of the War Powers Act and is an impeachable offense.
     
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    Sound's like a peach, so why dont you ?
     
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    I think the waters off your coastline are usually considered to be national waters.

    With regards to having no say in NATO policy, I personally, have more say in NATO policy than you.

    You have none. I do not.
    My own say is quite limited. I am not a decision maker.

    To dismiss this as just my personal ill will is to misunderstand what I am explaining to you.
    The whole world despises Israel.
    The whole world reviles it's actions.

    The least loved society on earth.

    Israel is real close. Real close.
    American public opinion swings against you and it's all over.

    Kill a load of NATO servicemen, and it's all over anyway. With or without the USA.
     
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    Shiva_TD Progressive Libertarian Past Donor

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    The President of the United States cannot "declare war" on anyone. It requires Congressional authorization for the President to authorize an offensive military strike against the forces of a foreign government.
     
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    Dude why nobody likes Israel? Do you have any thoughts on that?
     
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    No we don't have a right to be in Syria. No nation has a right to be in the sovereign territory of another nation.

    What we do have is a responsibility to provide refuge for those that have literally "fled for their lives" from the tyranny and terrorism in Syria and we're failing miserably when it comes to this responsibility,
     
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    We have as much right to be there as any other foreigners fighting there.
    None!

    But we are anyway. So get used to it.

    (Actually the Russians and the Iranians and the Lebanese were invited there by it's government. They have a case to argue that their rights to be there are more legitimate).
     
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    lol

    "mummy!!! goody said nobody likes us!! :tears:"

    Man you Arabs are something else :)
     
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    There's something in the UN about "responsibility to protect" doctrine.. its a duty to prevent genocide.
     
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    I'd be sad if Israel got hurt :(

    Is that Hebrew?
     
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    Stop embarresing yourself with this Arab propaganda crap, wars are not declared from hate and in no scenario will Europe declare war on Israel on account of Hamas, get real.
    You happen to talk with someone that does work in an international company and I can tell not only you are wrong but some of the hate we get from Arab countries (which is much more legit than your European hatred) is artificial, in close encounters we get along with everyone.
    OK.....you sound very close to climax, I'll leave you with goody so you can finish each other.....
     

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