MOD WARNING<<<Dismantle multiculturalism?

"We the people", as one famous text says.

What does your "white supremacist" have to do with culture and multi-culturalism? White is not a culture or is it? Also, Islam, Buddhism and Christianity are not races before you decide to pull out the "racist" argument.

 

Exactly! Multiculturalism is about "ghetoisation" of society and turning it into a "boiling pot" (of hate and disdain) instead of a "melting pot". That's the big difference.

 

Why would anyone want to be a "hyphen" American?

 

Multiculturalism is a strength rather than a weakness.

 

What is your definition of multiculturalism? It is a vague term meant to cause confusion IMO. America is a culture with distinct and diverse ethnicity. Groups of immigrants that retain their traditional ethnic values, traditions, religion but, most of all, ideally wish to assimilate and call themselves proud Americans.

 

You can't define it so you want to jihad the enquiry.

 

Please, elaborate on this one.

I am a cultural relativist and thus support every culture's unique right to its own existence and I, tnerefore, also recognise cultural differences. Because of this, I am against 'multiculturalism' as it contradicts both itself and what I just said. Unlike "multiculturalists", I do not treat minorities as if they were children. I see them for the socio-cultural human beings that they are and because of my deepest respect for all of them, I am against building a society on the notion of 'multiculturalism'.

It obviously does not work the way the proponents claim it does.

 

That "American culture" you are refering to took generation upon generation to build though. From the beginning, America was an Anglic nation and then, slowly, did they start to welcome other Northwrstern Europeans. There was lots of hostility in the early days and it was not too long ago you had the "No Irish allowed" signs on the doors of pubs and stores. Later came the Italians and Eastern EU:s.

But, I suppose it is easier to build a "multicultural society" with Germans, Swedes and Englishmen than it is to do the same with Arabs, Kurds, Horners and Swedes. As mentioned previously, if tnere is a percieved "sameness", different groups can co-operate and look past ethnic boundaries. Obviously, an Englishman and a German will find it easier to find that "common nominator" than a Somali and a German will.

Generally speaking, however, 'multiculturalism' is not the best way to organise a society. The world should be multicultural and this means that each society/nation ought to be monocultural.

 

No, it is not at all about "white supremacy", but rather is it about respecting and recognising the uniqueness of every culture; they are all worth the same and they all deserve to live. As Ruth Benedict put it; "The purpose [of anthropology] is to make the world safe for human differences."

So, are you going to present some actual arguments or are you just going to sit there and cry and try to silence other opinions by calling them "racist"?

Who is not a racist anyways? Everyone is and most racist of all are the SJW:s and the people like you, who use the words "white supremacist" and "racist" to silence debates about "inconveniant topics" such as ethnicity, race and culture.

 

But without multiculturalism, how would countries have some of the cool, cultural things we all enjoy now?

Take America for example: where would you get all the tasty, exotic foods from? Or the different music scenes? Or the clothes? Or dances? Or big discussions? Or artworks?

 

we came here to get away from a theocracy, what is wrong with just everyone believing what they want and not trying to force it on everyone else

if a religion is good, people will just choose it freely

 

What is “multiculturalism”? What about it do you believe causes terrorism? How do you see it being “dismantled” exactly?

I don’t fit in to any category from the first list and multiple categories from the second. It’s not clear what you’d expect me to do.

Where do Indonesian Christians or German Buddhists go? What about Native Americans, Australian Aboriginals or secular Jews? What about the massive divisions with the “cultures” you identify? Are Mormons the same culture as Evangelists? Are Wahhabis the same culture Sunnis? Is a Texan the same culture as a New Yorker? Is a rapper the same culture as an opera singer?

Short of locking yourself away alone, how can we not? Every single person you meet will have hundreds of cultural and social differences to you and many of the ones you perceive as being so different will have a lot more in common than many of those you perceive as being like you. The number and range of differences aren’t the problem, only the manner in which a minority of people respond to them. Trying to fix that by getting rid of the differences is like trying to solve murder by getting rid of guns.

Nobody decided. It started with the first early tribes wandered out of their own valleys and met the tribes living in the next one.

 

Are you being sarcastic now or are you actually serious?

 

Completely serious.

 

The mushbrained VOTERS!
In America and Europe, they've been voting pro-immigration 'Parties of Fools' into power for many, many years.
"Which is the greater fool, the fool or the fool who follows him?"- Obi Wan Kenobi
Thank God the great American people fired straight and true on election day to put Don in the White House..

 

Mariachis and burritos can be brought in by entrepreneurs if there is a demand for it. We have the Internet and people travel and learn new skills. There is nothing stopping cultural phenomenons from spreading. It is not like we need orchestrated and forced mass-migration with useless integration policies to enjoy some kebab.

I have nothing against migration as such, but it is really obvious that 'multiculturalism' does not work. Furthermore, no one really wants to leave their own country, but they are forced to do so because States have to ruin everything for everyone.

 

So you would have to agree that the nations of the World with the most ethnic diversity should be the greatest? Correct?

Sorry, but the most diverse and multicultural nations are Uganda and Liberia and the top 20 are in Africa.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...lly-diverse-countries/?utm_term=.091f1efd3e46

All of these places are dirty, violent and have mass poverty.

 

But who actually makes the best mariachis and burritos? From a practical standpoint it makes sense to bring in someone if the food they make is a smash hit.

More importantly, multiculturalism is part of what made this country stand out for so many years, such as with all the labor brought in from other countries during the Industrial Revolution, not including slaves of course.

 

If you want authentic exotic foods you can travel abroad. It is not like an European society needs chicken-tandoori to function or that a South African society needs hagis restaurants to function.

Anyways, the problem is - again - not immigrants as such and especially not labour-migrants, but the issue is rather gigantic, government programmes of "multiculturalism" because they, very obviously, do not work and are highly insufficient.

Again, Early America was mainly an Anglic nation and was not really "multicultural" in the same sense as modern day Sweden or Germany.

 

You don't need chicken-tandoori or other foods to function as a society, it's just nice to have it.

Early America was also good at shunning people who weren't white Anglo-Saxons.

Keep in mind that the idea of colonizing the Americas involved bringing in other cultures and groups, namely Europeans, from one side of the world to another and building up from there.

 

The only way to establish a good debate is to have agreed upon definitions. That's all I was asking. My definition of multiculturalism may be different than yours. You need to grow up and learn the basics of debate.

 

Ask Irish-Americans, German-Americans, African-Americans, Italian-Americans, Mexican-Americans, etc. It's not a one-sided thing. Also, you can be a hyphen American and be 100% patriotic for America. I consider myself German-American--I'm proud of my German heritage, but it takes nothing away from my patriotism and love of my country, the USA. My wife considers herself Irish-American, and she is the same way. I'm all for a melting pot kind of multiculturalism. It's what makes our country the greatest in the world. We take the best of dozens of cultures and turn them into our own. It's as American as (German) apple pie and pizza.

 

The free market would handle this with pure excellence.

Precisely! See what happens when cultures mix - they start shunning the "Other" creating racism and distrust. Think it was Putnam who noted that the more heterogenous a society is, the smaller is the trust.

 

But Europeans were the ones who brought those other groups over in the first place, all the while actively removing the ones that had already been there, while denying basic rights to everyone who didn't look like them. So basically they brought them over and then after a while got mad when non-whites wanted to be treated like people.

 

Exactly how is the "pot" "melting"? There always was- and still is a lot of (voluntary) segregation in America.