THere is something WRONG with the empathy, or lack, of right wingers.

The point is you failed to show where the fentanyl issue was ignored under Obama. I will grant you enough was not done, however, then, as now, funding was the problem, and the Republicans were intent on cutting funding for treatment programs even as they just did in this co-called "health care" bill:

https://www.forbes.com/sites/cjarlo...lation-despite-funding-concerns/#d72f04d68063 .

 

Strangely, there are exactly the same number of people on earth that need to be cared for as there are people on earth to do the caring- so we each have our own personal caretaker.
Totally fair and equal. If that person has not done a satisfactory job for you, have a little "come to Jesus" meeting and straighten.him out. The place to do this at any mirror- stand in front of it and your designated caretaker will appear.

There are indeed some who need help due to causes that have nothing to do with their own life choices and decisions- and we have always helped these people, as we are charitable to a fault. Generally, they are people who would help us if circumstances were reversed, and who would help themselves rather than accept help from others- if they could, and will again if and when they recover.

There are far more whose circumstances are the direct result of their own life decisions, but finding the results aren't very good- expect someone else to do more than their share and help them out. They used to see this as a shameful thing, but now they boldly think of it as societies obligation and their entitlement. They stand in line for free help; they manufacture or overstate their needs... but rarely contribute to others.

There is a great difference between a hand-out and a hand-up. The former promotes dependence and destroys self esteem, while the latter restores faith in yourself and your fellow man and promotes independence. Conservatives generally understand that- liberals scoff at it.

 

Still living the Reagan dream I see. Reagan began the attack on the middle class, the expansion of government, and government debt, and the beginnings of the widening gap in wealth. He inherited a mess, and used it to further benefit the wealthy at the expense of the common person. Bush 43 then came along, and basing his scheme on the same concept, further destroyed the middle class.

http://www.shmoop.com/reagan-era/economy.html

 

Christ was no so socialist, no liberal or nothing like you imagine.

Christ supported the death penalty. He allowed the Romans to execute not only him, but two other criminals.

Nowhere in the Bible is there a command from God that the national government be in charge of welfare. That is up to the individual and the church. There were no charities until Christian Westerners began them.

 

Actually, what I see is the EPA that previously took action to mitigate air pollution and benefit the public, has been "compromised" by corporate wealth and power to suspend or eliminate it's own established regulations and allow coal mining corporations to dump toxic waste into streams and thereby pollute and destroy residential water supplies, as an example. More and more the EPA is becoming a fully captive agency of the large corporations. I think you'll agree that the EPA was much more beneficial decades ago.

Sure!

Here in Oregon I see poor, unemployed people wanting to get out of their rut, find work, earn an income to support themselves, and get off the public dole. The percentage of people who are physically and mentally able to do so but don't and just keep letting the taxpayer support them is very small. I needed help one time myself, many years ago. And I lived in an area where many were receiving such help, and they typically were frustrated with the continuing difficulty of get out of their rut. I ended up getting back on my feet with a good job, paid plenty in taxes, and became a millionaire. So I'm pretty familiar with the story.

Absence of big government interference was tried in 1900, 1910, 1920, etc. It created major cruelty and hardship for workers.

You said "it was leftists who decided keeping young, healthy people poor and dependent on the government as a political strategy". Bunk. And regarding businesses leaving California for Texas and Nevada, it looks to me like that is mainly to get a reduction in state taxes and other financial benefits.

 

If you have to assist the middle class then it isn't a middle class anymore. Just one more class of government dependents.

 

Again sir the numbers do not bear that crap out. The raw numbers with out fudging for leftist tweaking show government revenue very nearly doubled middle class jobs increased, and more African Americans left poverty than anytime since the WWII. The 5% increase in Military spending did not cause the 100% increase in total spending between 1980 and 1982. It simply is not mathematically possible.Especially so given that the military budget which was 67% in 1968 had fallen to 20% by the end of the Carter presidency.

 

So not a damn thing was done about sanctioning China over Fentanyl even though they recognized there was an issue . It's what I thought. And lets not forget that most drug treatment progams are local and or private or some combination of the two. Not every problem has a federal solution. Nor is every crime a federal crime.

 

You use vague terminology. I would understand the purpose of doing that only if it's to obfuscate rather than clarify.

I prefer clarity. So I just deleted part of a long response I had written in order to cut to the meat of the matter...

The doctor deserves a fair compensation for their work, but not less. A patient should pay a fair amount for their health, but not more... And nobody's heath has more or less value than anybody else's.

It's very simple: Everybody has an equal right to got to a doctor and get treated for their illness or condition or... simply because they want to be assured about their health. Period. Nobody in the middle. Nobody can deny the right. Nobody can intervene in health decisions other than the patient and the doctor. And doctor's aren't compensated enough because there are intermediaries that shouldn't even exist. Doctors, nurses, pharmacists, ... they all provide a service. What service do insurance companies provide? None! And yet they get the largest part of the healthcare cost.

So I have a direct question for you: If you disagree with this. If you believe that there are people who should decide that one individual's health is more valuable than another's, please explain who that is.

Notice that I didn't include "conditions" in the question. That's because "conditions" are set by people. Nobody should set conditions. A condition like "how much money you make" is currently set (and more so in Trumpcare) by insurance companies. But even that should be kept out of the equation (patient-doctor). Why would Paris Hilton's health be more "valuable" then the man or woman who (for example) is struggling to get an engineering degree to start building things in this country, but needs to keep two jobs to pay for tuition and basic needs?

The important question is the one in bold text. If you want to give a clear answer, a simple answer will suffice. If you don't have it clear in your own mind, then feel free to elucubrate using vague terms as you see fit. But remember: "If you can't say it simply and clearly, keep quiet, and keep working on it till you can." (-Karl Popper)

 

The reason why it was seen as a shameful thing, is due to it being framed that way. Poor houses were MADE miserable. The idiot in charge of HUD now wants to make it miserable again. Bennett said we need STIGMA. You obviously want to assign blame, and misery to all those that need help. Not admitting that Paul Ryan needed help. McConnell needed help. MOST people need help before they are put away in a box. The real SIN is, the churchy folks do so as well. The reality is, we are ALLLLLLLLLLL scared of death, and fail, and loss of CONTROL. So, we assign blame, to DISTANCE ourselves from the reality. IT CAN HAPPEN TO YOU. That scares the @#$# out of control freaks, which the right wing is replete with.

 

The MIDDLE CLASS is an aberration. It is DESIGNED, and maintained. It is SOMEWHAT self sustaining, once solid. Due to economy of scale, and consumerism, but can easily be ruined, as it is fragile, and against nature.

 

We agree on some issues and disagree on others.

Not sure if you've ever lived outside of Oregon; in California we have generational poverty primarily because being on the dole has become a lifestyle choice, especially since most manufacturing left the state decades ago. For example, a girl dropping out of high school simply has to begin having children in order to allow taxpayers to support her. She might live with her mother and grandmother, all who have children under 18 and thus taxpayer supported. Various boyfriends will live with them or hang out, allowing the women, for the most part, to also support them.

Stockton has dozens of public housing complexes within two-three miles of fields growing crops:

https://affordablehousingonline.com/housing-search/California/Stockton

Eliminate taxpayer supported food and housing, and I guarantee these people will walk 20 minutes to work in order to feed their children.

Brutal? Perhaps. Your solution?

 

Here is a report on a pure Democrat ran city.

Seems as if they are very very bad people too.

http://projects.sfchronicle.com/sf-homeless/numbers/

 

What city do you live in? If in a rural area, what state?

You have to fight with SSDI for years due to the fakers who got onto the program. We don't wish to discuss your sisters nor if they go to church.

 

Rhode Island. Massachusetts.

You won't like my solution. It would be to provide opportunities for jobs with wages they won't refuse. Plus, set the maximum child income tax credit at 2 children unless the second child is born to a mother who has been single for a year. In that case make the credit 1.

 

Correlation is NOT causation. Due to knowing the EVIL hearts of right wingers, they are shunned by urban folk. By and large. So, you lay blame of DEMS, and LIBERALS, on all urban centers.

There is plenty of misery in rural, but it is hidden.

NO, I have to fight due to most dying before they collect, or give up, and, Right wingers INSIST that waste fraud and abuse are rampant, so we must means test the crap outta the desperate. OR, they wont sign of on ANY safety net issues.

 

You have not seen me claim correlation is causation. But look how you post? You live in one of the most hard core Democrat ran states yet you only blame republicans.

You made molds. Isn't that a hazardous job? Years back, I had patterns made for me and some by me and of course mold makers made the ductile iron parts and aluminum parts at the foundry.

 

Anyone who thinks good and evil are divided along partisan lines is not exactly a deep thinker, to say the least.

 

I live behind the ORANGE CURTAIN, a NOTORIOUSLY right wing area. I am going to go where it is far more tolerant. As finding decent folks will be easier.

 

That is why I don't make it partisan. I say right wing, NOT conservative, or Republican.

 

Anyone who thinks good and evil are divided along the political spectrum is not exactly a deep thinker, to say the least.

 

I don't impose a standard of living on others, and damn sure don't want to control or be responsible for how they choose to live- that is everyone's personal choice.
IF you choose to do nothing, have nothing and live in a cardboard box... that is your business. That is, until you blame your choices on others and expect them to provide you a more comfortable lifestyle, medical care and all that other crap you are entitled to without earning it.

"It can happen to you..." And, it will. Everybody who is paying attention knows that **** happens, and it happens to everybody. If you have done nothing to be prepared for the unexpected, it will be a crisis instead of a hiccup, and usually triggering more crisises for the unprepared... but the choice to not prepare is yours. The choice of how you survive it is yours. You are free to ask someone to bail your butt out... but they are free to refuse. There is no way to save a person from themselves, help only postpones the inevitable, because they don't learn a damn thing by being bailed out.

Liberals always say someone else did it to them. They never think of "how I can", but rather "Why I can't."
Liberals judge lifestyle by what someone else has done or acquired, to measure how unfair things are.
Liberals simply refuse to accept the responsibility for their own life choices- so they have no control over their life destiny. To the extent that position creates a stigma, it is a stigma that is created by themselves, and can be removed by themselves. To demand that others give it respect for dependency is to say you can control what others see and think- neither your position or right.

I allow you the choice to be nothing and do nothing, but I won't pay for your mistakes and irresponsibility.

Now as I have been broke, lived a winter in a storage shed, had major cancer without insurance and paid all the bills over time and have never taken so much as an unemployment check from government or lived off family charity- I know what poor is and I know what hungry is. I also have started a half-dozen businesses, and became wealthy. But then, I never gave up and blamed my condition on others- and I never had to cheat anyone to do it. The fact it is harder to take responsibility for winning than to quit and blame other is the nature of life, not a curse society has placed on you.

Step up to the plate, and choose to win. It is not what others do that control your life- it is what you do.
Every hand's a winner, and every hand's a loser. It's how you play it that will make the difference.

 

Kudos for the truth. This is guaranteed to anger Democrats who live with the belief system it is not their fault, but our fault that they did not prepare well. Given the vast majority of us don't suffer those fates, either they messed up their life or we did very well by not messing ours up.

 

Are Democrats right wing?

 

I still don't hear any of these lefties apologize for Obamacare.

Under Obamacare, when the last healthcare insurer leaves a state or area of a state, everyone loses their insurance, which includes those who were receiving subsidies.