Activists Protest ‘Conversion Therapy’ Conference In San Diego

Let me get this straight .. are you saying that LGBT supporters and allies only offer that support and allegiance for 'approved' actions? In other words, it's conditional?

 

conversion is the word they use. some gay men want to be straight. that you have such a problem with it speaks volumes.

 

Is that your come back?

You gave up early.

 

By your logic, someone that made a choice now should be allowed to have therapy to reverse their choice. Why can't they just choose to not be gay?

 

I don't think he has a problem with gay men wanting to be straight. I think of you ask any gay man there was at least one point in their life where they wanted to be straight.

The part of therapy ment to convert a homosexual to a heterosexual seems repugnant because it's tv's supposition that homosexuals are broken or ill. This contributes to a lot off the suffering homosexuals go through.

It is an opinion that the people that try and administer these types of faux therapies are repugnant. It is based on the wake of destruction following these so called "therapies." Destruction such as legitimizing shame that these quacks exacerbate, convincing homosexuals to lie to themselves doupe a person of the opposite sex to marry them, maybe even have children and destroy that family.

At this point we don't know why some people are homosexual. It could be environmental it could be genetic, it could be a combination of these influences. There is no real test to confirm homosexuality or heterosexuality that is objective. So right now it's completely idiopathic. Any claim that it's strictly environmental or genetic, or even a combination of these influences is exactly as credible as the claim that it's induced via demonic possession.

The part he has a problem with is the assumption and the impetus of that assumption. I have a problem with that also. But you can't stop a misguided homosexual from falling for these snake charmers. Even if it was illegal. Which I don't think it should be. They have to learn for themselves, no amount of wanting something will ever make it happen.

 

hmm, then we should stop the encarceration of pedophiles as that is their "attraction" and why should one sex act be punished? You could say that it's deviant but so is gay sex.

 

It isn't criminal because it's deviant. It's criminal because it harms a child.

 

I did. Three times. Got a 22 year old, a 20 year old and a 16 year old. I came out as gay a decade before the first one was born. You have a lot to learn about this topic.

 

Nice to see you still can't tell the difference between two consenting adults having sex and some one raping a child. I hope you have suffered from this confusion with children present.

One sex act is punished because it is objectively harmful and occurs against a non-consenting party.

 

I have never claimed that homosexuality is a choice. You must have me confused with someone else.

 

I appreciate what you're saying. I have to agree.

It must be said that I know little of these therapies (the mechanics and methods used, that is), so have made the assumption that at least some must be relatively benign.

My argument is that those who do seek change (let's not call it treatment, adding to the insult), should be able to access whatever method suits them personally. I suspect few would willingly choose dodgy methods, but desperation can make us stupid.

 

Conversion therapy is crap. I defend the right of religious people to do it as long as it is voluntary and restricted to adults though.

 

I appreciate what you're saying. I have to agree.

It must be said that I know little of these therapies (the mechanics and methods used, that is), so have made the assumption that at least some must be relatively benign.

My argument is that those who do seek change (let's not call it treatment, adding to the insult), should be able to access whatever method suits them personally. I suspect few would willingly choose dodgy methods, but desperation can make us stupid.

 

They mostly use aversion techniques through classical conditioning. I wouldn't say its benign to exacerbate someone's psychosis.

I agree.

None of them operate on a cogent thesis. They are all dodgy.

 

I agree with all of this. My biggest concern is when the 'conversion therapy' involves children or teens who are not really capable of choosing the therapy, but instead are being chosen for the therapy by parents often at the recommendation of pastors or clerics. . This stuff is serious business, borderline abusive and it can be very harmful and destructive.

 

Well this is an area that gets kind of murky. If parents are allowed to deny children medicine for religious purposes or to hack up their genitals for religious purposes, i don't know if you can say people can't screw with their child's head if they can let them die of the flu or chop up their penises and vaginas.

 

I certainly understand that position/argument, but based on what I have read of some of these places, "therapy" sounds more like imprisonment so I do draw a line some place even if it not where others might.

 

I would say that should also include parents who let their children die of treatable illnesses

 

You don't know if it is going to kill them usually until it kills them


That is the one issue I am the very most conflicted on in this arena. On vaccinations I am squarely choice, but then it gets steep quick in my mind

 

aversion/exposure type therapies can work, but they must be carefully managed. such therapies have helped many people with problematic (to them) phobias and addictions.

if I had a deeply problematic (to me) behaviour, I would hope that I had access to a range of therapies, and make my own decision on which is kosher or suitable. there must be alternatives to a possibly politically driven status quo. imagine if the only healthcare we could access was traditional western medicine, because other options were outlawed?

 

there are other things the contribute to the health and well-being of a child for instance when I worked at the YMCA there was a little boy with a broken arm it was swollen and purple and it was like that for 3 weeks before they told the parents that he needed to get it taken care of of course raised 10 shades of hell and cancel their membership.

well as long as most of the people on the planet brain-dead dolts their vaccinations will protect the unfortunate children of the anti-vaxxers. If that scale ever tips to the point we were seeing outbreaks of smallpox the blame will rest on the anti-vaxxers

 

Why did you wait three weeks if you were concerned.

Protect yourself and your own and don't worry about others. If you consider them "brain-dead dolts" why would you want them to continue in the gene pool to begin with?

 

no they won't not in a million years will aversion ever convert somebody from one sexuality to the other. That's like trying to paint with a hammer.

no aversion does not work on phobia. Phobias are typically psychosomatic

again with this. When it comes to therapy I'm all about meritocracy. If your therapy treats problems then it's the right one if that treatment is "Mad madam Gertrude's devil silencing mayonnaise" and you got the money to buy it no one should stop you. I feel the same way about fortune tellers for those idiots that read tarot cards. If you want to believe in that hoodoo be my guest.

nothing stopping you from seeking whatever treatments you want. In a few States it is illegal to torture kids with this nonsense. That's a move I don't necessarily disagree with. Because they can go to the tarot card readers another Mystics that just claim they have knowledge and abilities. That's where these people should go.

Oh, you mean if we illegalize shaman that bury a cat on a full moon night to coax out the demons that infected you with cancer? For whatever reason there will always be a market for that.

 

me? I was just a lifeguard I couldn't band them I didn't let him in the pool but that's all I could do. I would have loved to take him the parents out the parking lot and beat them senseless with a shovel but I can't do that.

I'm sorry if I see children suffering I can't help but having an emotional response to that. Beyond thinking they're the scum of the Earth there is nothing I can really do.

The YMCA told them they can come back because apparently our medical system is the work of the devil but our legal system's a okay for some of these ass clowns

 

You could have called child protective services or asked your police department to look into it. Maybe they couldn't afford to let the kid go to the doctor just as maybe some of the people who elect not to be vaccinated do so because they don't have the money. Give the shots at schools for free to the students and their family if you are that worried about it.