Judging Trump's performance

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    If I judged Trump on how much he made liberals whine, he'd get an A+. If I judged him on keeping promises about deporting illegal aliens, he'd get an A. If I judged him on building the wall he'd get a C, mostly because Congress is dragging their feet. Those things were always secondary, the only thing Trump has to get right is the court, and for Gorsuch he gets an A+, and it looks like he'll get at least one or possibly two more picks by the time his term(s) are over. For that reason alone, all the liberal whining is so much more hilarious, because whatever happens, the Court will be in better hands...
     
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    Notice the media leaps to defend Obama and attack republicans.

    Gee, same thing going on right now. keep an eye on Couric protecting a president. But she won't protect Trump.

     
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    Actually, the final poll average was more accurate than in 2012, and had showed a rapid closing of the gap. Her margin of 2.9 million votes was not distributed to her advantage, but if you need to continue to obsess over Clinton, that is what you need to do.
     
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    The following are indisputable facts. The statements are not opinion or supposition. The statements are not TDS or fake news. The statements are not the result of a Democratic-fed conspiracy. The statements are facts, very troublesome facts.

    Russian interfered in our election. According to our intelligence agencies, they did so on behalf of candidate Trump.

    As President, Trump has never condemned Russia for interfering in our election.

    As President, Trump has never taken any punitive actions against Russia for interfering in our election.

    As President, Trump has not taken any action to prevent Russia from interfering in our future elections.

    As President, Trump swore an oath to protect our Constitution.

    Our Constitution embodies the concept of democracy as its form of government, and a democracy is enabled and completely dependent upon free elections.

    Trump violated his oath.

    "The White House is signaling that President Trump will not raise the issue of election meddling with Russian President Vladimir Putin when the pair meet in person for the first time at a Group of 20 summit in Germany on Friday. As CNN reports:

    "There is little expectation among Trump’s national security team that the President will bring up Russia’s meddling in last year’s presidential election during the meeting, according to administration officials and another person close to the White House." https://www.washingtonpost.com/blog...inviting-more-in-2018/?utm_term=.a52cf3518087

    As seen from the post above, our allies hold Trump with very little esteem. Russia, on the other hand, has 53% confidence in Trump.
     
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    Well, they can't deal with the present and can't defend Trump, so they dwell on the past and their one great triumph.
     
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    Robert, you got it wrong again. The media isn't attacking the Republicans. They are attacking Trump. There is one hell of difference. Trump isn't a Republican.
     
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    So, you are proud of Trump. I am sure you are proud of his performance the other day, but Republican lawmakers weren't.

    The White House has said that Trump's tweets are official Presidential statements.

    Here is what an official Presidential statement said today. "I heard poorly rated @Morning—Joe speaks badly of me (don't watch anymore). Then how come low I.Q. Crazy Mika, along with Psycho Joe, came to Mar-a-Lago 3 nights in a row around New Year's Eve, and insisted on joining me. She was bleeding badly from a face-lift. I said no!"

    The casual observer is sickened by this despicable statement from our President. What does the White House say about this malicious statement? Trump is a fighter. Huckabee Sanders had this to say about Trump's tweets. "I think the American people elected somebody who's tough, who's smart, and who's a fighter."

    First of all, The American people did not elect Trump. 25% of eligible voters chose Trump, which equates out to less than 20% of the American people. Also, Trump was elected with the help of Putin who, with the help of hackers, severely damaged Trump's opponent. Truth be told, if Putin had chosen an operative to occupy the Oval Office, he couldn't possibly be doing more damage than Trump is doing right now.

    Secondly, we certainly did not wish to elect cyber-bullying leader. Chris Cillizza writes, "What Trump did is the opposite of being tough; it's bullying, plain and simple. Tough people don't go around talking about how tough they are or trying to prove it. Toughness is about resilience. It's about getting knocked down and getting back up. it's about taking the high road. It's not about tweeting about alleged face-lifts."

    Republican lawmakers agree with Cillizza. A Google search did not reveal one single Republican lawmaker who supported the Presidential statements. A large number of Republican lawmakers disagreed with Trump. Here are some examples.

    House Speaker Paul Ryan responded, "Obviously I don't see that as an appropriate comment." He added: "What we're trying to do around here is improve the tone, the civility of the debate. And this obviously doesn't help do that."

    "Please just stop. This isn't normal and it's beneath the dignity of your office," GOP Sen. Ben Sasse tweeted.

    Republican Sen. Lisa Murkowski of Alaska‏ tweeted to Trump, "do you want to be remembered for your tweets or your accomplishments? Stop it! The Presidential platform should be used for more than bringing people down."

    Sen. Lindsey Graham tweeted, "Mr. President, your tweet was beneath the office and represents what is wrong with American politics, not the greatness of America."

    Rep. Lynn Jenkins, R-Kansas, tweeted: "This is not okay. As a female in politics I am often criticized for my looks. We should be working to empower women." She later said she was "extremely disappointed." "That's not OK," she said. "It's just not acceptable. We need to demand better of folks in positions like myself, the President ... We should just appreciate if the President could focus with us on doing some really good things for the American people and leave comments like that to himself."

    GOP Sen. Orrin Hatch said, "It's incumbent on all of us, then — from the President to Congress on down — to be responsible for our speech."

    GOP Sen. Susan Collins of Maine tweeted, "This has to stop -- we all have a job -- 3 branches of gov't and media. We don't have to get along, but we must show respect and civility."

    You get my drift. For the umpteenth time, this time far more severely, Trump marginalized himself. And the pattern is set. We talk about his controversies. We talk about his tweets. And absolutely nothing gets done in Washington, no healthcare, no tax reform, no wall, and no funding for infrastructure.

    The July 4th recess is just around the corner. After that is the August recess. The debt ceiling needs to be raised by mid-October. You get the picture.

    From Trump's friends to Trump: You are doing a great job. Keep it up.
     
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    That makes sense, and serves as a desperately-needed diversion. Trump®Care that is "something terrific!" that covers "everybody!" is nowhere in sight - not even from the lofty heights of Mexico-financed Trump®Wall.
     
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    The interesting thing about you, Robert, is you never can defend Trump. So, you invariably change the subject to Obama, Democrats. Clinton, anybody but Trump.

    That indicates a powerful weakness in your support of Trump.
     
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    Really, and was Hillary or Obama?

    Why would I vote for any Democrat?
     
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    Besides Trump, who else could I support? We had Obama so I know what poor is.

    I believe Trump will work fine once the media stops making him their target.
     
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    Boy, Trump fans don't want anything to do with this post. Far too much reality for them, very unpleasant reality.

    Sandy Shanks said:
    Holy s**t, look at this graph. It speaks for itself.

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    http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tan...-u-s-and-confidence-in-its-president-decline/

    Russia has 53% confidence level in Trump. Israel has 56% confidence level in Trump.

    Canada has 75% no-confidence level in Trump. Mexico has 93% no-confidence level in Trump.

    http://www.pewglobal.org/2017/06/26...rumps-leadership/pg_2017-06-26-us_image-02-0/
    The following are indisputable facts. The statements are not opinion or supposition. The statements are not TDS or fake news. The statements are not the result of a Democratic-fed conspiracy. The statements are facts, very troublesome facts.

    Russian interfered in our election. According to our intelligence agencies, they did so on behalf of candidate Trump.

    As President, Trump has never condemned Russia for interfering in our election.

    As President, Trump has never taken any punitive actions against Russia for interfering in our election.

    As President, Trump has not taken any action to prevent Russia from interfering in our future elections.

    As President, Trump swore an oath to protect our Constitution.

    Our Constitution embodies the concept of democracy as its form of government, and a democracy is enabled and completely dependent upon free elections.

    Trump violated his oath.

    "The White House is signaling that President Trump will not raise the issue of election meddling with Russian President Vladimir Putin when the pair meet in person for the first time at a Group of 20 summit in Germany on Friday. As CNN reports:

    "There is little expectation among Trump’s national security team that the President will bring up Russia’s meddling in last year’s presidential election during the meeting, according to administration officials and another person close to the White House." https://www.washingtonpost.com/blog...inviting-more-in-2018/?utm_term=.a52cf3518087

    As seen from the post above, our allies hold Trump with very little esteem. Russia, on the other hand, has 53% confidence in Trump.
     
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    Robert, you dwell on the past. Why don't deal with some real issues in the present. As we speak, Trump is meeting with G20 leaders. The post just above this one contains some pertinent issues regarding the G20. Can you deal with those issues and the present?

    Or will you answer by talking about Obama, Clinton, and the past again?
     
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    You have daily dwelled in the past.

    When you stop, let me know. G20 has yet to happen. Wait for it to happen.
     
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    You are still living in the past while complaining if we do it too.
     
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    I really don't care what those people have to say, none of them are from my district/state. Anyway, Lindsey Graham has been a whiny little bitch since he was stomped in the primaries, his opinion is pretty worthless. Murkowski and Collins are RINOs, neither can be trusted. Hatch is a decent chap, but not my Senator...
     
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    Speaking of agenda, when Trump meets with Putin tomorrow, according to the White House, Trump has “no specific agenda.” That is of some concern because the wily, savvy, experienced Putin always has an agenda when meeting with rival leaders. If the inexperienced American President is intending to speak off the cuff, whatever pops into his head, this could go really bad, if only from a political standpoint.

    Making matters worse, Russia's attack on our democracy, meaning her interference in our election, is not likely to be discussed. Nor will stopping that interference in future elections be discussed. A spokesperson close to Trump characterized such a discussion as a waste of time and a "loser."
     
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    You really are quite misinformed. To think that post was in our past reflects someone who really has no idea what is going on.
     
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    You really don't care that members of Trump's own party are turning against him. That's interesting. More and more Trump is becoming isolated. His ludicrous press conference today didn't help him one bit.
     
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    Prior to meeting with the leaders of the G20, Trump was totally disingenuous at a press conference with the Polish president. That is the polite way of putting it. In fact, he lied and appeared confused.

    When asked if he had accepted Russia's role in the election meddling, to everyone's amazement he replied, "I think it was Russia, but it could've been other people and other countries." He added, "Nobody really knows." Then he muddied the waters. "I think a lot of people interfere."

    In other words, he refuses to accept the conclusion of his own intelligence agencies. He threw up a smokescreen to hide the truth.

    Putin has to be loving this.

    Then he went on a rant against the former President. "When Barack Obama found out about this," Trump continued (so it was Russia?), and then, seemingly checking himself: "in terms of, if it were Russia." He went on to say Obama "did nothing about it," and added that "they say he choked."

    First, that is a very curious position for Trump to take inasmuch as he encouraged Russia during the election campaign and clearly benefited from the dismantling of the Clinton campaign by Russia.

    Secondly, Trump lied or is misinformed. Obama did take steps against the Russian intrusion. He instructed his administration to get a high-confidence assessment from the intelligence community on Russia’s efforts, ensure state-run election systems were secure and garner bipartisan support from Congress to condemn Russia. He issued a series of warnings to the Russians, which Obama’s closest advisers believe “prompted Moscow to abandon any plans of further aggression, such as sabotage of U.S. voting systems. On October 7, 2016, the public was informed that the ODNI and the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) had jointly stated that Russian intelligence services had hacked the email accounts of the Democratic National Committee (DNC) and Clinton campaign chairman John Podesta, and forwarded their contents to WikiLeaks. The report cited intelligence sources inside the Russian government that identified Putin giving instructions to disparage Clinton and help Trump.

    Oh, yes, he also attacked the American press again. That has become so routine, it is meaningless.

    Then came the biggest lie of all. Again, Trump is either ignorant or he relied on Americans not knowing the truth. Unfortunately for Trump, Americans remember the truth far better than he does. He provided a false history of a tragic war that cost the lives of nearly 5,000 Americans while wounding another 25,000. He attempted to drag the legacy of those dead Americans into the dirt for political gain, but he made a complete fool of himself, instead.

    He said, "I remember when I was sitting back listening about Iraq, weapons of mass destruction, how everybody was 100% certain that Iraq has weapons of mass destruction. Guess what? That led to one big mess. They were wrong and it led to a mess."

    No, he does not remember. Most Americans know that our intelligence agencies said the very opposite. Iraq did not have WMD's.

    That information came from Donald Rumsfeld's private intelligence service, the Office of Special Plans, and was widely promulgated by him, Dick Cheney, and President George W. Bush.

    Trump is even confused as to whether or not he has ever met Putin.

    Did I say Putin is going to love meeting Trump tomorrow? The White House has no idea what Trump is going to bring up.

    Here's hoping we still own Alaska when Putin gets through with Trump.
     
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    We are being told, even by CNN, that Trump was tough on Russia in his speech yesterday. That is quite true. What also is quite true is that Trump relies on rhetoric to show his supporters that he is actually accomplishing something. Unfortunately for Trump, the old adage, "actions speak louder than words," holds true.

    When asked about Russia's attack on our democracy, Trump was equivocal and seemed confused by the question. "I think it was Russia, but it could've been other people and other countries. Nobody really knows. I think a lot of people interfere." Then he muddled it up with still another rant about a former President, the news media, and the Iraq War.

    The fact remains, as President, Trump has never condemned Russia for interfering in our election.

    As President, Trump has not taken punitive action against Russia for interfering in our election.

    As President, Trump has not taken any steps to prevent Russia from interfering in our future elections.

    The two hour meeting with Putin concluded and Trump did not answer questions from the media on whether they discussed Russia's alleged interference in the 2016 U.S. election.

    Actions speak louder than words.
     
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    Unless you now claim to predict the future, what you claim took place in the past. I will remind you as necessary.
     
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    Maybe Trump can hire you to punch Putin out.
     
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    Typical Trump, he wants it both ways. He thinks he is being clever. Actually, he looks equivocal, silly, confused, and totally bereft of convictions. His beliefs are based entirely on the changing topography of politics. He can believe one thing on a given day. 24 hours later, that belief can make an abrupt about face.

    No where is that more clear than the issue of Russian interference in our election.

    Prior to Friday, Trump has been one of the few voices within the Republican party who has consistently voiced doubts about Russia's role in the meddling of the American presidential election. On Friday, according to SecState Tillerson, it was the first thing Trump brought up with Putin.

    His comments on Thursday were broadly consistent with the skepticism over Russian intrusion. On the other hand, Trump said Russia probably did it....but they might not have!

    On Friday, Trump bowed to pressure and the first thing out of his mouth was the Russian interference in our election. Well, sort of, but not really. According to Tillerson, "The president opened the meeting by raising the concerns of the American people regarding Russian interference in 2016 election." At no time did Trump say that he was concerned about the attack on our democracy. Trump never told Putin that he believed that Russia interfered in our election.

    Putin and Trump agreed to disagree on the subject.

    Trump had it both ways, or so he thinks. Wait until he gets home and has to face Republican Senators who approved new sanctions against Russian, but the bill is stalled in the House.
     

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