Have you told Mr Trump we are all going to die down here?

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  1. One Mind

    One Mind Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Yet humans are natural, just as all life is natural. This system produced us.

    I am only concerned about the dangers of radiation from nukes and nuclear powered energy producing plants primarily and the sooner we get off of this power source the better. Co2 does not concern me, as it has been hysterically over blown due to the money scheme it involves with taxation of co2. So the cyclical warming does not concern me, but the next ice age does. And even today we do not know what produces the cycle of ice ages nor the warming up out of them. We know so little about what drives climate change, and the climate is never still, but in constant change.

    Humans hit it lucky when it comes to climate, a warmer climate, allowing agriculture to feed a growing population. We as a species hit a sweet zone giving rise to civilization and all that this entails. Yet we know a drastic cooling can happen in a decade or so, faster than possible to adjust. These are the kinds of things that are worthy of concern, especially since we have no clue as to what drives it. The sun perhaps, when it goes into a cooling cycle? And the sun is thought to be the primary driver of climate change and cycles. And some peer reviewed paper from 93 concluded that co2 levels rising, follows a warming and not vice versa. And for most of our history, the earths history co2 levels were higher than currently. That is why the 400000 time period is used when showing rising co2, for it was higher in the past and this time period is used to show it rising again, after it reduced prior to that. This aids in promoting the propaganda of the IPCC, while a whole host of other scientists are not allowed to debate or question what the IPCC promotes.
     
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    I would say that normally it would be impossible to tell two lies in one sentence but you pulled it off. Congratulations.
     
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    One Mind Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Given population will continue to grow, a warmer earth as we come out of the interglacial with a bit more co2 will probably help feed this growing population. So it is probably a god send. Perhaps it is the way an earth adjusts to meet the growing need for human food?

    The earth is greening up which is a good thing, even as we deforest rainforests which will decrease co2 extraction which isn't good but the IPCC and politicians and those who are set to get richer from carbon taxes are not at all concerned about less extraction. That is why I think if this co2 deal was such a problem, we would be doing other things to pull down levels, and stopping deforestation, and increasing flora would be going on. The only concern is with enriching a few by taxing and redistributing, into the hands at the top. Of course it is just the latest scheme otherwise debate with other serious scientists who disagree would not be crushed nor would so much propaganda be used with all of the classic red flags of another ruse.
     
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    This is a joke yes?

    Should have posted it in the humour section
     
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    Maaaate

    If you really believe this then I suggest you get involved with the project to protect the people of this planet from the dangerous substance called DHMO

    Dihydrogen monoxide
    http://www.dhmo.org/truth/Dihydrogen-Monoxide.html
     
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    I think it belongs in humour
     
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    Makes me wonder about the depth of ignorance

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    Yeah I don't think the IPCC counts reforestation as a mitigation so that doesn't seem honest to not count that.
     
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    So you think a person would joke about the end of the human existence?

    Obviously not, I suggest you look up entropy (S) of any isolated system, to explain it simply, imagine a bucket of water that was full to the brim, the entropy of the bucket is at an equilibrium state, now if we add more water to the bucket, the bucket overflows directly proportional to the gain to retain equilibrium of the bucket.
    This is similar to how all energy ''works'' in respect to entropy.
     
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    air cools at a fairly predictable rate when it rises and then falls again. You should ask the pilot what the outside air temp is the next time you are flying in the summer. It may shock you. Do it in the winter, and it will shock you more.
     
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    How will your predictions fare when it doesn't cool down as predicted because the gain is greater than loss?
     
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    How do you presume we could find something that as not been written yet? because new means exactly that.

    Using science information I can predict the outcome of what will happen to air if it becomes ''super'' heated with a probability P=1 accuracy.
     
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    Evidence shows that gases expand when heated, evidence also shows by the laws of attraction and repulsion that every point like particle has a void like vacuum in the centre of E(S) energy entropy. The like wise polarities of the point like particle repulsing each other to create this centre void.

    I know people like diagrams so I have quickly drawn it you.

    e void.jpg
     
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    Apparently you can't predict it since it has never been written by your own admission i.e. there is no scientific basis for your claim.
     
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    There is scientific basis for the claim, it is not really a prediction, it is a factual prediction that can happen. See diagram
     
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    When the atmosphere reaches 100M° C for your superheated atmospheric fusion conditions to occur, let me know. Until then, the atmosphere will continue to cool off faster than it can create new heat.
     
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    Not true, why do you think the global warming is happening? We are filling the ''bucket'' quicker than it can empty, except in this instance, the bucket is sealed shut.
     
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    The denser the ''bucket'', the more ''water'' it can hold,

    Emax(S)=hf/S
     
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    Isn't the joke the part where you said that we'll suffocate because as air warms it rises and never falls back down?
     
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    Since Greenland is adding ice and just had the coldest ever recorded temperature in July in the northern hemisphere, I think you bucket (among other things) has a leak
     
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    No, that doesn't mean the bucket has a leak. This is a common misunderstanding of global warming. GW does not mean that every place on Earth will always be warmer than the previous day. AGW does not predict that the Earth will even heat homogeneously. One event at one location does not define the climate.

    By the way, while Greenland was freezing and breaking record low temperatures an even larger (much larger actually) area of the northern hemisphere was baking with anomalously hot temperatures. 2017 is running 0.4C above the 1980-2010 average and is only pace to be the 2nd warmest year on record just behind 2016.
     
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    If one place is colder by the day and another warmer it confirms what we were discussing. What you are discussing is something different.
     
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    It's not sealed shut though. Yes, the atmosphere will probably continue to warm for a hundred years or more, but it won't warm forever. Greenhouse gases aren't an unpenetrable barrier. They still allow a lot of outgoing radiation to escape and since radiation emissions are proportional to the 4th power of the body's temperature even a runaway greenhouse effect will eventually stop once an equilibrium achieved.
     
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    Humans and government have the means, both the labor and money, to do better. Why we go down the paths we see today is rooted in myriad issues and unfortunately it is unlikely we will change these paths. Whether it's the money, or human nature, and whether it's government or our own personal lives, few of us are disciplined to be observant, to think, and be proactive. It's likely about the 'fast track' which most feel will enlighten their dismal lives. Fact is all the money in the world, all the wealth, is meaningless if we as you say cannot eat or breathe clean air or drink quality water. No matter how horrific these potentials are, most people are only concerned about the moment and our own comfort zones. This will not change until pain and suffering is forced on the masses and some of us know it will be too late to do anything at that point. Maybe this pain and suffering, or extinction, is the price we will ultimately pay...
     
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