Who says that Russia is our enemy, --and why are they saying it?

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  1. JakeJ

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    That's in in a nutshell. President/General Eisenhower: "Beware of the military industrial complex."
     
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    Who else we going to get a ride to space with to the international space station?

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    Hey, let's be fair. I already said that.
    "More neocon, globalist, dollar hegemony bullshit."
     
  4. Merwen

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    At least he wouldn't sell us out at bargain basement rates the way Hil and the O did.
     
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    What do you call countries that invade our allies?
     
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    I'm not a Democrat. The last time I voted a democrat was 2004 and it was for Wesley Clarke.
     
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    Of course they look out for their own interests first. Trying to spin that as unacceptable when all nations do that is hogwash. Do we have the best interests of Russia at heart? LOL So your post is detached from reality nonsense.

    Since the inception of our CIA we have meddled in democratic elections at least 80 times, with Obama trying to keep Net In Yahoo from winning in Israel. But our meddling also involved murdering foreign politicians who stand in the way of our elites plundering the wealth in those other nation.

    OH, it is ok if we meddle, if we invade sovereign nations, if our CIA does the bidding of our elite, but if Russia does it, suddenly they are a great evil force? The only way anyone here can try to turn Russia into a great enemy is by the deepest hypocrisy possible. So get the hell out of town and piss on the legs of the village idiots, better known as democrats.

    The amount of incoherence, irrationality and hypocrisy coming from these useless brains makes it look like we are a nation of the worst kind of fools.
     
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    They are not supposed to have "America's best interests at heart", they are supposed to have their own best interests at heart, even as we should. Our elite leadership has violated this basic truth for so long that their treason goes unchallenged.
     
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    The way our Deep State is responding to the problems in Venezuela?
     
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    More to the point, what do you call a country that breaks international law and invades several sovereign nations, justifying the criminality by fabrications and lies by our CIA? Of course the good germans leading up to ww2 had the same kind of mindset as we see with some americans today. But in both cases, both the good germans and good americans were in principle the same. Complicit in the criminality involved. America is a much greater criminal nation than Russia. Exponentially so. Ignoring the hard facts does not get rid of the facts.
     
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    An excellent point, which can't help but suggest how deeply the US Left has become hopelessly enmeshed in socialism.
     
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    Obama took over after 8 years of foreign policy and economic disaster. The numbers that count show that he did a pretty good job of stopping the bleeding and getting us turned in the right direction. Compare the number of dead US civilians and Soldiers killed by foreign enemies under Cheney/Bush to the number number killed under Obama. Then look at the condition our economy was in when Obama took over in 2009 and when he left in 2017. The numbers don't lie. All in all, Obama did a great job and his high approval ratings indicate just that. I just hope that Trump does not sell us out to war profiteering scumbags and greedy corporate raiders like Cheney/Bush did, and leave our economy in a shambles again...
     
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    How is my post "detached from reality nonsense" when you are agreeing that they are not looking out for the US's best interests? The rest of your post is idiotic as you babble on about the bad things that the US has done, and yes we have quite a history of it, hoping that it somehow edifies your seeming position that Russia is not at the very least an adversary who would probably dance a tracksuited hopak while drinking vodka and kvas.
     
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    Nobody is saying that they should have the US's best interest at heart. We are saying that we should assume that they don't as they're actions readily demonstrate. I'm not sure what the issue is here...

    We may share a few goals here and there but in the end, they ARE NOT OUR FRIENDS.
     
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    Why does the alt left ignore this question though. Prior to your Russian conspiracy theory existence, China had hacked the hell out of us. We even traced many of the hacks into our Pentagon and cyber security, to actual buildings in China. Sanctions? Not at all. Trade? Yes, continued trade.

    Crimea votes to leave Ukraine (None of our business...Ukraine isn't even our ally or in NATO...) and we all of the sudden need to sanction the hell out of them?

    WHAT DO YOU EXPECT? What's your end game? Let China get away with everything and start a war for no reason with Russia? Seriously, the alt left has LOST IT
     
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    Why?
     
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    I knew you wouldn't answer :)
     
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    GW was a tool of the Deep State. He was interviewed for the position by Condaleesa Rice and others for it, and basically won the pick because of his past as a cheerleader.
     
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    You believe that because the Deep State, through its propaganda (now legal) media is telling you to.
     
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    Yes, ignore the real enemy. who knew that was all it takes to MAGA.
     
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    and you ignore US/Russia history. Quite remarkable really. Seems there are those that think that a common enemy is enough to be friends.
     
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    I do not disagree that Bush and Clinton are on the same team and that Condoleesa Rice is a reptilian entity. However it looks like Trump is a tool of the Russian mafia which is the biggest criminal outfit ever seen in the history of mankind. They make the old Italian Casa Nostradamus look like a bunch of boy scouts.
     
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    Even you know that Trump was lying about Russia. His son just got caught along with Manafort and Kushner. And today they found out that two others were there too....and one of them committed suicide. That's some deep quicksand.
     
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    Do you work for the GRU???????

    Seriously?

    I know of no agreement of any kind between Russia and the US after WWII to leave the Ukraine neutral. If there was one, the Russians were busy violating it even before the war ended.

    The destabalization of the Ukraine is a Russian product.
     
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    The real enemy populates most of congress, the boards of the defense contractors and the wall street banks.
     
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