Harvard admitted a majority nonwhite class for the first time in history

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  1. Cigar

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    For the first time in its nearly 400-year history, Harvard has admitted a majority nonwhite class, The Boston Globe reported.

    Official figures released by the college show that the entering class of 2021 is:

    • 22.2% Asian American

    • 14.6% African American

    • 11.6% Hispanic or Latino

    Of the entering freshman class, 50.8% are from minority groups, an increase from the 47.3% figure last year, The Globe reported.

    The news comes just as the Department of Justice indicated it planned to review a complaint of discrimination at Harvard University related to its admissions process.

    An anti-affirmative action group called Students for Fair Admissions filed a lawsuit against Harvard in 2015, alleging that the college and other Ivy League institutions use racial quotas to admit students to the detriment of more qualified Asian-American applicants. The group includes a coalition of more than 60 Asian-American groups.

    http://www.businessinsider.com/harvard-admits-majority-nonwhite-class-first-time-2017-8

    Jeff Sessions investigation to begin soon .... :roflol:
     
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    In anticipation/embarrassment of the lawsuit and the last few years publicity, the aholes at Harvard had to raise up Asians from app 16% quota they, and most of the Ivy league had imposed. But Blacks being admitted at a 2% higher rate than in the general population shows absurd AA.
    Want to see what a fair non-Affirmative Action admissions policy look like at an elite school?

    Why Caltech is in a class by itself
    http://www.mindingthecampus.org/2010/12/why_caltech_is_in_a_class_by_i/
    By Russell K. Nieli
    Dec 9, 2010
    [.....]
    Toward a Pure Meritocracy

    Of the top two dozen or so elite universities in America only one has managed both to avoid the craziness of the post-60s intellectual fads, and to establish something pretty close to a pure meritocracy -- California Institute of Technology
    , which has not received the general recognition among academics that it clearly deserves.

    The statistics on Caltech's students and faculty are simply spellbinding. An entering Caltech freshman last year who received a 770 on the math SAT would be exceeded in this area by three-quarters of his fellow entering freshmen.
    Many Caltech freshmen got a perfect 800 on their math SAT, while a near-perfect 1560 combination score placed an incoming freshmen at only the 75th percentile of his entering classmates. A combined SAT score of 1470 (the 99th percentile by national standards) placed an entering Caltech freshman at only the 25th percentile among his fellow students. (At Harvard and Princeton, by contrast, the 25th percentile is reached by a score of only 1380).
    All recent Caltech undergraduates have scored 700 or above on the math SAT, and far from being a bunch of inarticulate science and math geeks, the vast majority have scored over 700 on the English verbal SAT as well. Most Caltech matriculants have also taken numerous Advanced Placement courses in high school, and attained perfect scores on their AP exams. In short, Caltech is interested in enrolling only the academically most accomplished and advanced students, who have a genuine passion for the STEM subjects (science, technology, engineering, mathematics), and virtually all of its entering students have achieved at the 98th or 99th percentile in terms of their scores on competitive national exams.

    What this means is that at Caltech, there are no dumb jocks, dumb legacies, or dumb Affirmative Action students. It is clear from its published statistics that the non-academic criteria that preoccupy admissions committees at all other elite universities count for little at this beacon of pure meritocracy. Perhaps the most striking difference from all other elite universities -- including institutions like MIT and the University of Chicago which forgo athletic recruitment -- is Caltech's complete Indifference to Racial balancing.

    In a state and a region of the country with the largest Hispanic population, Caltech's entering freshmen class in 2008 was less than 6% Hispanic (13 out of 236).
    The unwillingness to Lower standards for a larger Black representation is even more striking -- less than 1% (2/236) of Caltech's 2008 entering freshmen were listed as "non-Hispanic black".
    This "Underrepresentation" of Blacks and Hispanics, of course, was more than made up for by the Huge "Overrepresentation" of Asians.
    Only 4% of the U.S. population, Asians made up a whopping 40% of the incoming freshmen class in 2008, a slightly larger proportion than the 39% figure for whites.
    Applicants to Caltech are clearly seen as representing Only themselves and their own Individual merit and achievement, Not their Race or their ethnic group.

    As a professor at Caltech who has taught there for many years explained to me in an email, "We try, like our competitors, very, very hard to find, recruit, and nurture underrepresented minorities but We won't bend our standards."
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    Assuming this report is true, how many of those minorities are American and come from the poorer classes of society?

    A few years ago there was a report that the only minorities admitted into Ivy league schools such as Harvard were those from wealthy families. That they were the children of doctors, politicians, and businessmen, most of whom were from overseas. Not from the USA with the poorer classes missing out. Do you have any breakdown on these matters?
     
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    :lol: Awww, someone is not feeling Special and Superior today.

    Please pass the tissue to our unvalued victim :cry:
     
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    That must be the OP who is bemoaning the makeup of the incoming class. ;)
     
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    I saw this and first thing that I thought was, who cares? My assumption is that Harvard is a private institution, and they can admit whomever they want to, deny admissions to anyone they want, and frankly, what difference will it make? Harvard is about prestige. It's the fastest, least expensive mechanism to deliver prestige to you and your family I can think of. But again, who cares?
     
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    So let's see ... Who Cares?

    I'm betting the people who are always moaning and groaning when someone (usually those gosh darn other people) get's something the anointed people believe is Free. Kinda like, if "they" achieved it, "they" must have gotten a Free Ride. Because God knows "they" are not capable of equaling what the "Superior" people have achieved. So it had to have been something "they" got without effort.

    Next let's answer the question about the private institution. Money is not a problem for these types of institutions, and prestige is something they've had longer than most people have been alive. It's accreditation, reputation and more important ... future earning power, is why they pay attention to diversity. Because the one thing these institutions believe in more than anything else, is Economics and Science. They can see past the end of their nose and they can see the world as it is, not as they want it to be.

    Also, "facts" actually matter to institutions like Harvard.
     
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    Yes, who cares? You haven't answered the question. You spent a lot of time wishing you had an answer, but you don't. It's ok not to know some times.
     
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    Yes I did answer the question, you're just not capable of comprehending it.

    Maybe a Harvard grad can help you out.
     
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    So funny. Your assertion of an answer was an ad hominem. There is no need for further clarification. You simply failed to answer the question. I defy you to show me anyone who cares or that folks think anyone is getting anything "free" from Harvard. It's laughable.
     
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    Funny thing, you where drawn to the Thread, could it possibly be because you Cared. :roflol:
     
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    Most Hispanics are white.
     
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    Only to express the opinion that I did, which is, who cares? You seem to. Are you truly that worried that some will get something you cannot?
     
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    Except the Hispanics I know.
     
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    You didn't put any conditions on the question, you just wrote "who cares"?

    You my want to stop digging now.
     
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    Wow ... a Ivy League college student taking Drugs at a concert ... Breaking News @ 11:00pm:
     
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    She hasnt even started yet.... but your rush to make excuses for her are duly noted. :)
     
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    Huge Difference ... thanks for pointing that out.
     
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    And yet, you care. Are you really that upset that others might receive something you cannot? If I express the question, "who cares" are you do, it seems appropriate to ask why you do.
     
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    It's a shame the Bush Daughters couldn't get in ... must be a Black Thang :)
     
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    Nope ... Thousands of people all over the World have degrees like mine.

    ... and it doesn't bother me at all. :mrgreen:
     
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    Good for them, but until they actually start admitting people on merit and not diversity, or more importantly until they stop denying people admission who merit it under the pretense of promoting diversity, they will continue to water down their reputation. It isn't just about race/ethnicity. This has been a problem with them for a generation or more. If the 10 smartest kids in the country all went to the same high school or lived in the same city, maybe 2 of them would be admitted and 1 would be wait-listed at the very most.
     
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    Im sure that Michelle is now "proud" for the second time.... Do you think ms O will be allowed to take her seat now that this video of her has surfaced? Do we think that this behavior "sets the tone, or the example" of Harvard?

    https://www.forbes.com/sites/rebecc...commencement-speaker-zuckerberg/#77e3fe5d3dbd
     
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    Humm ... does it bother anyone that people are still admitted into colleges based alone by their name or connections.

    Care me a river ... then get in line with the String of Violin Players.
     

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