Thousands rally against Israel in Istanbul

Makes no sense whatsoever to me.

Your free associations leave me wondering how able you are to follow reasoned discussion. My past experience with so many of these is with substance users and schizophrenic people.

 

Is that why they only hold elections when the favorability leans in favor of the sitting PM?

 

Stop grouping Jews with Zionist, that's an insult to Jews everywhere.

 

Most Jews, probably the vast majority, are Zionists in that they support the existence of the State of Israel.
Why don't you tell us your definition/defamation.

 

You didn't read them? How can you expect anyone on this forum to believe your posts are balanced and objective if you don't care to read other opinions than those that match your own? There's a name for that attitude, it's "confirmation bias", a logical fallacy.

The terror attack in Toulouse wasn't exactly a local incident easy to miss. Ask yourself why would those that would verbally crucify a Jew over the smallest - real or perceived - injustice done to Arabs, stay silent when three Jewish children were brutally murdered just because they were Jews. Either you care about justice and human life, everywhere and for all, or you just pretend to care to score points for your side. 972 Mag is just pretending. They betrayed their own declared values. I don't give a flying snot about most of the crowd on that rag, but Lisa Goldman's silence really hurt. It drove me further away from the so-called pro-Palestinian left. Your post drove a new wedge.

 

You are making unfounded assumptions. Do you even know the history of Zionism dating back to the late 1890s? You don't have to be Jewish to be a Zionist, in fact many anti-Semitic supporters of removing the Jews from Europe were the founding fathers of the Zionist agenda. Most of these European Jews weren't that excited about being uprooted from everything they knew about life in plush Europe to be shipped off to some dried out desert where the natives spoke Arabic and start all over. Zionism wasn't just about Jews having their own State. Zionism was about claiming entitlement to land occupied by someone else according to scriptures that all Zionist didn't necessarily even believe. It was an unsupported Biblical excuse to claim that although God felt no compulsion to bring into fruition, non-Jewish sympathizers should oblige out of mutual interests. Zionism is just justifiable theft and then they wonder why people are so upset about it. Many Jews are anti-Zionist even though they hold dual-citizenship in Israel because they believe in the two-state plan that the British set forth. But Zionist are isolationist, they don't want to share or cohabit. They have the exact same mindset as Nazi-Germany, but today in Germany you won't see a single Nazi flag waving, even as a historic symbol (as we do here in the US with the Rebel flag). Zionist are extremely racist, even among other Jews, just ask any African Jew. Zionist are anti-Christian, just ask any Israeli Christian. Zionist feel that they are exempt from International law, still living back in the pre-WWII era of "gas 'em, nuke 'em, use chemical and biological agents, whatever it takes." They are a non-satisfiable plague.


JUDAISM AND ZIONISM ARE NOT THE SAME THING
We would like to take a few minutes of your time to prevent you from making a terrible mistake that may have disastrous results for many.

You have always without a doubt heard and read much about the political crises in the Middle East in which the State of Israel plays a central role. This is, in fact, an ongoing series of crises with potential to bring the greatest misfortune on the entire world. Tragically many believe that Zionism and Judaism are identical. Thus they conclude that the entire Jewish people is responsible for the actions of the Zionist government and the world crises which emanates from it. This is a Grave Error!

The truth is that the Jewish faith and Zionism are two very different philosophies. They are as opposite as day and night. The Jewish people have existed for thousands of years. In their two thousand years of Divinely decreed exile no Jew ever sought to end this exile and establish independent political sovereignty anywhere. The people's sole purpose was the study and fulfillment of the Divine commandments of the Torah.

The Zionist movement created the Israeli state. The latter is a persuasion less than one hundred years old. Its essential goal was and is to change the nature of the Jewish people from that of a religious entity to a political movement. From Zionism's inception the spiritual leaders of the Jewish people stood in staunch opposition to it.

To this day Torah Jewry remains forever loyal to its faith. Zionists want the world to believe that they are the representatives of the entire Jewish people. This is false! The Jewish people never chose them as their leaders.

The Zionists have deceived many well meaning Jewish people via terror, trickery and false propaganda. They have at their disposal the use of a nearly universally subservient media. Whoever attempts to criticize them puts his livelihood and, at times, his very life in danger.

However, despite the media blackout and easy resort to terror the simple truth remains unrefuted and irrefutable: ACCORDING TO THE JEWISH FAITH AND TORAH LAW THE JEWISH PEOPLE ARE FORBIDDEN TO HAVE THEIR OWN STATE WHILE AWAITING THE MESSIANIC ERA!

The Creator gave us the Holy Land thousands of years ago. Yet, when we sinned, He took it away and sent us into exile. Since that time our task is to wait for Him to send the Messiah. At that time, the Creator alone, without any human being lifting a hand or saying a word, will bring us together and take us out of exile. He will likewise establish universal peace among all mankind and all will serve Him in good will.

Some religious Jews, confused by Zionist propaganda quote Biblical verses that state that G-d gave the children of Israel the Holy Land. They overlook, unfortunately, those verses which say that He took it away due to our sins. They further ignore those prophecies which explicitly describe the last exile's conclusion as a Divine, not a human process.

The Creator has commanded every Jew to follow the ways of peace and to be loyal to the country where he lives.

Torah true Jewry waits patiently for the Messianic redemption. They have nothing to do with any kind of pseudo "Jewish State" and its aggressions against other peoples. They have a deep sympathy for the plight of the Palestinians who have suffered the most from Zionism's false teachings and barbaric actions. The Zionist state is not a Jewish state. The Zionists alone are the only ones responsible for their actions. Authentic Jewry has and will continue to oppose the very existence of this blasphemous state.

 

I know the history quite well. Better than you.
NONE of what you posted refutes what I said.
Most/the vast majority of Jews are Zionists, in that they support the existence of Israel.
STILL/Period.

Yes, I'm so much more familiar with this debate, for so long, this is amateur hour.
Watching some "anti-Israeler" quote FRINGE ultra-orthodox groups like Neturei Karta or 'True Torah Jews' to "prove" not all Jews are zionists.
YAWWWWN.

How many other of the 99% of Jews believe there shouldn't be an Israel until the Messiah comes?
Not even most Orthodox Jews, who make the most ardent settlers.

PS you omitted/witheld the link, to NKUSA's website. Probably intentionally, as it would show these bearded wonders.
http://webcache.googleusercontent.c...m_isnot_zionism.cfm+&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us

And of course/again, it doesn't change of what I said nor the lie/false insult you tried.
Most/the vast majority of Jews are Zionists, in that they support the existence of Israel.
Still.
Your tortured but empty venting didn't change anything.
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Sure it doesn't make no sense to you because you didn't even bother to look up and see who Ali Bin Nasser was. If you had googled him, you'd have known he was the guy the English hates even today because he ignored Maradona's "hand ball" in the quarter final game between England and Argentina in 1986 Mexico World Cup. He considered that obvious "hand ball" (which should have been followed by a whistle marking a free-kick in England's favor) as a shocking "head ball", the game didn't stop by no whistles, and that ball went through the goalie and met with the net as a score in Argentina's favor. This had a direct effect on the result of the game, England lost and disqualified by a stupid hypocrite ref while Argentina qualified for the next round and then the next all the way up to the final, and then ended up wining the world cup. I didn't even bother with the "Falkland war" there which put millions of Argentinians in great shame by the English victory, just 4 years earlier this ""gift"" Argentinian people were granted by FIFA (which is also controlled by pro-Queen cliques) as a "soft-vengeance" for the war, because I didn't want you to feel bad not knowing anything about two things at the same time; history and football.

Anyways, I digress...

So, you said in exact words that "you didn't know if my allegations against either man (The Kasnazani leader and FETO leader) were true or not..." despite the fact that you were clearly shown 8 quotes from 3 prominent MSM sources like NYT and WashPost (your favs) -including some shocking lines from a book authored by one CIA PR journalist- all of which were pointing out the fact that the Kasnazani leader -The Pope- was literally funded, supported, and used by the CIA to use his own men in the field as spies among Saddam's soldiers in America's favor before, during and after the American invasion of Iraq in 2003.

So, keeping in mind the reason I brought up Kasnazani in the first place was because to "discredit" the "weak" point which was poorly stated by "you" as follows:

I posted a reply which reads:

So far so good?

When those 8 quotes I posted got a reply from you saying again; "you didn't know if my allegations against either man (The Kasnazani leader and FETO leader) were true or not..." that "just" metaphorical slap of Ali Bin Nasser's ""imaginary"" quote (yep, I made it up and you didn't even notice because you don't even know what the hell is going on, so you didn't even think double checking what I post, because you have such a superficial perspective) was totally deserved as a side for the lunch's rat.

Now, I don't want to judge your experiences, especially the ones you got with the sick but when you read this post I believe you will understand how it is normal for the person who ""schizophrenically" supposes he IS able to """follow a "REASONED" discussion""", although this post proves with concrete quotes that he's simply faaaaar from even following small pieces of corn bread sprinkled on the window sash for the birds, to pull mentally ill and weak minds like a magnet.
Yes my friend, great minds do think alike, like mine's thinking like the greatest strategist Kasparov... But guess what? There's no reason for the mentally ill and the weak not thinking so differently than each other and not "having some experiences" together... Photons says we're coming through in waves...

Regards;

Diego Armando Maradona the God's hand.

 

Because most Jews are not Zionist just as most Zionists are not Jews.

 

True that... They're pretty much fcked up by the geniuses of the East and the funny thing is they don't even know what has just started hitting them...

Regards;

Sun Tzu.

 

Let's cut the bullsh.t now...

Josh supports Atlanta Braves. Josh got into a discussion with a Yankee supporter and made an "unfair judgement" that Yankees have "always" been the worst team of the major league since 1901. Josh is biased/unfairly judgmental and this attitude is completely based on what team he supports. There is a significant chance that Josh wouldn't have been "biased/unfairly judgmental" against the Yankees if he wasn't supporting the rival team.

Moshe is a Jewish jeweler in Manhattan. He's a humanist. Helps everybody around him regardless of them being followers of other religions. Even the Rabbi of the near by Synagogue says he's no less than Moses himself when it comes to humanitarian matters, he's that sensitive about that stuff. When ISIS bombed Iran Moshe was watching it on TV. He stood up in great excitement, jumped and cheered tens of minutes at the back of his own store even the customers at the front wondered what was going on inside. He was praying for more bombs. When I saw him like that, I asked the Rabbi what the hell was wrong with Moshe, he said since Moshe was an "anti-Iran" SUPPORTER, he made UNFAIR JUDGMENT and cheered for more wrong doings on innocent people he otherwise would have died for. Because the wing he supports (anti-Iran) he showed a great deal of BIASED/UNFAIR Judgement against people he loves!

Both cases are real life examples.

 

That's how parliamentary systems work.

 

So why are these Turking ********s butting into Israeli politics anyway.

Don't they have enough problems of their own at home ??

 

True dat.

 

You should have just let this dumbazz thread die.

 

Go, ask them!

 

There'd only be another pro Islamist anti Jewish thread pop up somewhere else anyway. The neo Nazis are everywhere.

 

So you got 100% PORKED on your assertion, and all your Disingenuous Info dumping was outed by me.
(including your Dishonestly Withheld Link for tiny Fringe group NKUSA)
This remains true:
Most/the vast majority of Jews are Zionists, in that they support the existence of Israel.
STILL/Period.
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For several posts I have tried to explain to you the primary cause behind anti Western Muslim sentiment "Terrorism" and that is Zionist fueled Western Wars /Terrorist acts against Muslims in their own back yard.
I posted salient facts supporting this view on Post #273 which you have characteristically ignored:
http://www.politicalforum.com/index...lly-against-israel-in-istanbul.511005/page-14

Are you really so completely oblivious to the impact of dropping bombs and targeting drones at Muslim civilian targets?

The following is additional information which you may choose to ignore too that supports the widely understood reasons behind anti Western Muslim violence:

The crime of making Americans aware of their own history"
http://www.foreignpolicyjournal.com...-making-americans-aware-of-their-own-history/

EXCERPT "Is history getting too close for comfort for the fragile little American heart and mind? Their schools and their favorite media have done an excellent job of keeping them ignorant of what their favorite country has done to the rest of the world, but lately some discomforting points of view have managed to find their way into this well-defended American consciousness.

What, then, is the basis of all this? What has the United States actually been doing in the Middle East in the recent past?

• the shooting down of two Libyan planes in 1981

• the bombing of Lebanon in 1983 and 1984

• the bombing of Libya in 1986

• the bombing and sinking of an Iranian ship in 1987

• the shooting down of an Iranian passenger plane in 1988

• the shooting down of two more Libyan planes in 1989

• the massive bombing of the Iraqi people in 1991

• the continuing bombings and draconian sanctions against Iraq for the next 12 years

• the bombing of Afghanistan and Sudan in 1998

• the habitual support of Israel despite the routine devastation and torture it inflicts upon the Palestinian people

• the habitual condemnation of Palestinian resistance to this

• the abduction of “suspected terrorists” from Muslim countries, such as Malaysia, Pakistan, Lebanon and Albania, who were then taken to places like Egypt and Saudi Arabia, where they were tortured

• the large military and hi-tech presence in Islam’s holiest land, Saudi Arabia, and elsewhere in the Persian Gulf region

• the support of numerous undemocratic, authoritarian Middle East governments from the Shah of Iran to Mubarak of Egypt to the Saudi royal family

• the invasion, bombing and occupation of Afghanistan, 2001 to the present, and Iraq, 2003 to the present

• the bombings and continuous firing of missiles to assassinate individuals in Somalia, Yemen, Pakistan, and Libya during the period of 2006-2011

It can’t be repeated or emphasized enough. The biggest lie of the “war on terrorism”, although weakening, is that the targets of America’s attacks have an irrational hatred of the United States and its way of life, based on religious and cultural misunderstandings and envy. The large body of evidence to the contrary includes a 2004 report from the Defense Science Board, “a Federal advisory committee established to provide independent advice to the Secretary of Defense.” The report states:

Muslims do not hate our freedom, but rather they hate our policies. The overwhelming majority voice their objections to what they see as one-sided support in favor of Israel and against Palestinian rights, and the long-standing, even increasing, support for what Muslims collectively see as tyrannies, most notably Egypt, Saudi Arabia, Jordan, Pakistan and the Gulf states. Thus, when American public diplomacy talks about bringing democracy to Islamic societies, this is seen as no more than self-serving hypocrisy."CONTINUED

As long as Zionist lobbies drive America's Mid East War on Islam & dupe gullible American minds, the Muslims will continue to respond with whatever means they have.
The only thing the US has not put "on the table" is an even handed and fair Mid East Foreign policy.

Enjoy your weekend.

 

Please tell if each of the following is a biased attitude and explain your position:
1. Supporting free education for children
2. Supporting an independent judiciary
3. Supporting freedom of speech
4. Supporting accessible healthcare for all

Oh, and because the topic is Turkey's shenanigans, I'd like to know your position regarding Israeli support for the Iranian blogger harassed by Turkish authorities and threatened with deportation back to Iran where her life would have been in danger.

 

When I looked it up I got mostly a list of music videos, with a few obscure references to a soccer match.

As far as Kasnazani goes, I felt no need to verify all of those outpourings because the only point in bringing him up on your part was to suggest that the old guy in PA was just as bad. Comparing is not proving. Proof has to refer to the exact person.

Sorry England lost. I guess.

Go take your pills now.

 

I'm not sure how many Jews you think there are in the world but there was never enough to alone coordinate pulling all the Jews out of Europe and moving them into their own nation in a desert that they held no authority over and no military to conquer. Most Jews never liked the idea, that's why we have just as big of a Jewish population here in the US as they do in all of Israel. And I'm not sure if you were aware of this, but the US wasn't exactly fond of Jewish migration to the US. They weren't exactly embraced with open arms, in fact the British (who also wasn't very welcome to Jews in the UK) was actually concerned for Jews that migrated to the United States. But those Jews didn't want to live in a desert after living in Europe, so they came to the United States anyway. No European nation accepted the Jewish population that the United States did, but the French were the ones that assisted Israel's nuclear weapons program along with South Africa. It was the US and the Russians who tried to counter Israel's nuclear weapons program, until finally French (non-Jewish) Zionist backed down in their support. The Russians are (and have always been) atheist , that's why they originally supported the Zionists with the British. Europe didn't want Jews, that's why they supported the Zionist agenda. Zionist have always been anti-Semitic. Jews that found alternatives have never supported Zionism.

 

And they wonder why they aren't welcomed in Europe.

 

It's about 98% Muslim.

 

All of that is cool and good. However keeping the Palestinians in the world's largest prison, stealing their land, and engaging in constant terrorist exercise of "mowing the lawn" in which hundreds of Palestinian children are killed is a black stain on Israel, and the United States for facilitating such activity.