Thousands rally against Israel in Istanbul

Listen Gülten,

A typical Turk's family is NOT a Spanish Jew like mine.
Do you want me to translate that into Nazi language?

Lol...

 

No, I am not going for fairy tales about fictional characters. Furthermore, I am not going for anything from Turkey, there is nothing that your hateful little nation has to offer.

 

O.k., here you have it, dear Pisa, indulge yourself:

Israel repeatedly violates the Geneva Conventions by:

• Targeting, killing, and collectively punishing non-combatant men, women and children
• Moving its own population into an occupied zone
• Imposing unnecessary curfews and closures
• Exercising disproportionate use of force

Israel defies international law and hundreds of U.N. resolutions by:

• Refusing to end over 40 years of military occupation
• Expanding and adding Israeli settlements
• Building the Apartheid Wall to take over Palestinian land and water resources
• Denying the right of return for millions of Palestinian refugees

http://www.seamac.org/warcrime.htm

And on....

The Fourth Geneva Convention applies to the West Bank, to the Gaza Strip, and to the entire City of Jerusalem, in order to protect the Palestinians living there. The Palestinian People living in this Palestinian Land are "protected persons" within the meaning of the Fourth Geneva Convention. All of their rights are sacred under international law.

There are 149 substantive articles of the Fourth Geneva Convention that protect the rights of every one of these Palestinians living in occupied Palestine. The Israeli Government is currently violating, and has since 1967 been violating, almost each and every one of these sacred rights of the Palestinian People recognized by the Fourth Geneva Convention. Indeed, violations of the Fourth Geneva Convention are war crimes.

So this is not a symmetrical situation. As matters of fact and of law, the gross and repeated violations of Palestinian rights by the Israeli army and Israeli settlers living illegally in occupied Palestine constitute war crimes. Conversely, the Palestinian people are defending themselves and their land and their homes against Israeli war crimes and Israeli war criminals, both military and civilian.

Read more here:
https://www.revisionisthistory.org/palestine50.html

Israel and Occupied Palestinian Territories 2016/2017

Israeli forces unlawfully killed Palestinian civilians, including children, in both Israel and the Occupied Palestinian Territories (OPT), and detained thousands of Palestinians from the OPT who opposed Israel’s continuing military occupation, holding hundreds in administrative detention. Torture and other ill-treatment of detainees remained rife and was committed with impunity. The authorities continued to promote illegal settlements in the West Bank, including by attempting to retroactively “legalize” settlements built on private Palestinian land, and severely restricted Palestinians’ freedom of movement, closing some areas after attacks by Palestinians on Israelis. Israeli forces continued to blockade the Gaza Strip, subjecting its population of 1.9 million to collective punishment, and to demolish homes of Palestinians in the West Bank and of Bedouin villagers in Israel’s Negev/Naqab region, forcibly evicting residents.

https://www.amnesty.org/en/countrie...-israel-and-occupied-palestinian-territories/
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Can I help clarifying anything else for you? Let me know, if you have difficulty reading or understanding the English language.

 

I'm no dude.

Argumentum ad populum is a logical fallacy.

Attitudes toward Israel have been forged by three main factors:

1. The competition between the Soviet Bear, on one side, Western Europe (mainly France) on the other side, and the US on the third side, for regional hegemony in the Middle East.

2. The oil embargoes of the 70's, a heavy blow to Western countries.

3. Big financial donations to Western universities by Arab countries like Saudi Arabia or Libya, donations that came with certain demands attached. British Universities are so far gone down the Arab-financed slippery slope of compromise, that sex segregation is considered not only acceptable for Islamic events, but even desirable.

Using the Israeli scarecrow to cover Arab leaders' failures became so commonplace, that Bashar Assad threatened his then fiery enemy Erdogan that, if Turkey makes a move against him, he will bomb..Tel Aviv!

No proof for thieving and ethnic cleansing then. I thought so.

Wikipedia? Srsly? It says nothing about schoolbooks.

Let's see how education looks like in Gaza:

http://www.al-monitor.com/pulse/originals/2016/03/gaza-private-public-unrwa-schools-education.html

Somehow, I don't believe parents in the supposedly impoverished Gaza-the-biggest-open-air-prison-strip would pay thousands of hard earned dollars to schoolbooks-deprived private schools, would they? There's also no mention of a lack of schoolbooks in an article about schools and education, which would be odd if there really was a lack of schoolbooks.

Isn't Hamas responsible for Gaza's children even a smidgen tiny itsy bitsy bit?

"Rather sure" is not proof of anything, sorry. You'll have to do better than that.

Oh, so your "independent inquiries" are just one.

I'm still trying to wrap my head around that "Jews refused" thing, taking into consideration that a Jew headed the inquiry...oh well, the mysterious ways of generalizing minds...

The South-African judge was appointed to chair a fact finding mission, not to do it. There were several reasons why Israel refused to cooperate, one of them being that mission member Prof. Christine Chin-kin (the forum doesn't allow to write the name correctly, I get ***kin on the preview) had already signed a public letter which called Israel's actions "war crimes.". What was the point of cooperating with someone who judged and passed sentence way ahead of the investigation?

This is freedom of the press, not freedom of speech.

The Hamas state was at the time shooting rockets into Israel - on civilians - from those schools and hospitals. They are responsible for civilian deaths in those areas, not Israel. They used schools, hospitals, and other civilian areas to store and shoot missiles. The blood is on their hands. Or does anyone expect the Jew state not to defend its Jew citizens against the Hamas state? Are Jews' lives not worthy to defend?

 

Re:

The historic record supports your assertion.

Apparently, very few people are aware of the well hidden degree to which the Zionists were complicit with Germany's National Socialists & eager to sacrifice non Zionist German Jews for a Zionist State in the Levant:

"The Zionist-Nazi Collaboration"
http://dissidentvoice.org/2012/07/the-zionist-nazi-collaboration/

EXCERPT " Zionists found common cause with Hitler, Eichmann, and the Nazis and used anti-Semitism and Nazism as a means of achieving their end which was the establishment of a Jewish state.

The two reactionary movements shared the view that German Jews were living in that country as a ‘foreign race’ and that the racial divide was essential to maintain.

The Zionists’ use of Nazism involved, among other things, the blocking of avenues of escape to other countries of Europe’s Jews and diverting them to Palestine, even as the death trains began to roll in Europe.

The rise of Nazism and Hitler to power was never, or almost never, opposed by the Zionists prior to the establishment of Israel."CONTINUED

As Rabbi Weissmandel stated, "One cow in Palestine is worth all the Jews in Europe".

 

Clarification please.
You are Jewish? By way of Spain.
Thank you.

 

Turkey is both Islamic AND secular. I've been there and found the people to be extremely hospitable, its archeological wonders to be amazing and the beer to be great.

Please note:

"MOST TURKISH PEOPLE ARE MUSLIMS, BUT TURKEY IS NOT AN ISLAMIC COUNTRY"

https://theothertour.com/unspoken-facts-about-turkey/

EXCERPT "Turkey is the only secular muslim country in the world. Secularism is established and protected by the constitution and it is one of the fundamental values of this country.

Even though most of the population consider themselves to be muslims, in general they don’t follow the rules of Islam very strickly. More than half of the Turkish people go out, drink alcohol and socialize with one and another in ways that are traditionally a ‘sin’ in Islam."CONTINUED

 

Jews fled and were expelled during the Spanish Inquisition.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Histo...an_Empire#Influx_of_Sephardi_Jews_from_Iberia

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The greatest influx of Jews into Asia Minorand the Ottoman Empire, occurred during the reign of Mehmed the Conquerors's successor, Beyazid II (1481–1512), after the expulsion of the Jews from Spain and Portugal]. The Sultan issued a formal invitation to Jews expelled from Spain and Portugal and they started arriving in the empire in great numbers. A key moment in Judeo-Turkic relations occurred in 1492, when more than 150,000 Spanish Jews fled the Spanish Inquisition, many to the Ottoman Empire. At that point in time, Constantinople's population was a mere 70,000 due to the various sieges of the city during the Crusades, the Black Death of the 14th century, and the Ottoman's military conquest of Constantinople, so this historical event was also significant for repopulation of the city. These Sephardic Jews settled in Constantinople as well as Salonika.

The Spanish Jews were allowed to settle in the wealthier cities of the empire, especially in the European provinces (cities such as: Istanbul, Sarajevo, Salonica, Adrianople and Nicopolis), Western and Northern Anatolia (Bursa, Aydın, Tokat and Amasya), but also in the Mediterranean coastal regions (for example: Jerusalem, Safed, Damascus, Egypt). Izmir was not settled by Spanish Jews until later.

The Jewish population at Jerusalem increased from 70 families in 1488 to 1,500 at the beginning of the 16th century. That of Safed increased from 300 to 2,000 families and almost surpassed Jerusalem in importance.

Damascus had a Sephardic congregation of 500 families. Istanbul had a Jewish community of 30,000 individuals with 44 synagogues. Bayezid allowed the Jews to live on the banks of the Golden Horn. Egypt, especially Cairo, received a large number of the exiles, who soon out-numbered the pre-existing Musta'arabi Jews. Gradually, the chief center of the Sephardic Jews became Salonica, where the Spanish Jews soon outnumbered the pre-existing Jewish community.

The Jews satisfied various needs in the Ottoman Empire: the Muslim Turks were largely uninterested in business enterprises and accordingly left commercial occupations to members of minority religions. They also distrusted the Christian subjects whose countries had only recently been conquered by the Ottomans and therefore it was natural to prefer Jewish subjects to which this consideration did not apply."​

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That's a good post. Hard to argue with that one.

 

Is it true that Tunisia is also Islamic and secular? I think Michael Moore discussed it.

 

Hard to tell these days. You never heard the song Mona Lisa was a man? LOL

Sorry. I am going to cut you off right there. A big factor in the formation of attitudes towards Israel with regards to the Palestinians has been Israel's mistreatment of them. Its been disgusting. Jazz made a good post detailing some of the mistreatment.

 

More of your usual Anti-semitic Spam from garbage websites.
Your only pursuit here. Searching "Jew dirt" results, then posting them in many strings, no matter the topic.
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To be honest, I don't know. I have only read that Turkey is the only State that is both secular and Islamic. I've never been to Tunisia so I couldn't speak to the quality of its beer.

 

HASBARA ALERT

In other words, you know nothing about Zionist machinations during the Evian Conference and their blocking non Zionist Jews from going anywhere except Palestine etc.

There are plenty of credible sites not listed in your Hasbara Handbook:

"The Israel Project’s Secret Hasbara Handbook Exposed"
https://www.richardsilverstein.com/2009/07/10/the-israel-projects-secret-hasbara-handbook-exposed/

EXCERPT Douglas Bloomfield and Newsweek have done pretty close to that against the Israel lobby. Specifically, they’ve exposed a secret hasbara handbook written for The Israel Project by star Republican marketer, Frank Luntz. The oddly-named Global Language Dictionary (pdf) is a veritable goldmine of arguments, strategy, tactics. At 116 pages, it’s not for the faint of heart. But anyone who wants to get inside the head of the Israel lobby must read this document.

The first thing we learn is that this passage, as with everything else printed in the handbook, is empty meaningless drivel. It’s a perfect example of political three-card monty in which there appears to be a card which isn’t there at all. It’s all a sham. There is no substance. The rhetoric here is even worse than that offered by spokespeople like Mark Regev on behalf of the Israeli government."CONTINUED

 

I never cry when I'm right. I never cry when I'm wrong either, but that's not the case here.

Correlation does not imply causation. You showed that support may be biased in some instances, which I never denied. You didn't prove that support is always automatically and necessarily biased.

Keep in mind that "biased" means "irrational, unfair, prejudiced". It doesn't mean "subjective".

Can you please keep your Omaha twisted fantasies for your private life?

Truth and honesty are addictive, and so is freedom, then yes, the Iranian blogger fell prey to a powerful drug. She isn't playing the big heroine though. Nobody would risk so much for mere cosplay.

Even a broken watch shows the correct time twice a day. That's why everybody is worth a reply at least once in a while.

Yes, many Sephardi Jews have found refuge in the Ottoman Empire. Turks were tolerant toward Jews, not so much as to let them pray at the Wailing Wall, or having their country back, but enough to provide them with shelter and opportunities. But Ottomans were no angels, they conquered and killed and oppressed and raped and enslaved and took young Christian children from their families to shape them into most faithful and feared soldiers of the Empire. Nobody's perfect, one way or the other.

 

Yes, whenever someone points out you're using Conspiracy and Hate sites, (the GOEBBELS HANDBOOK) out comes your 10 times used "Hasbara Handbook" link, and no real answer.
Yawwn.

What's funny too, just above, someone asked you if Tunisia was secular.
But despite scraping every sick corner of the internet for OBSCURE Jew/Zio/Israel Dirt, you couldn't Google 'Tunisia Secular'!
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Yes DEAR.
I can copy / paste too.
The quote was directed at our resident angry Turk.

Who now claims not so Turk



Did YOU know -
The Sephardi movement from Andalusia to the Ottoman Empire
brought weapons technology that made the Turks the power in the Eastern Mediterranean in the 16th Century. No copy / paste, Moi's synopsis

BTW some Ashkenazim escaped Hitler to Turkey too.

Here's a good book for ya. Really. https://www.amazon.com/Story-Jews-000-Year-Adventure/dp/1580231551

Moi

r > g

They Seek A Land Corridor To NYC
Across an immense, unguarded, ethereal border, Canadians, cool and unsympathetic,
regard our America with envious eyes and slowly and surely draw their plans against us. ​

 

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Except you didn't know WHAT TO LOOK UP/Copy.
Ooops!
You seemed surprised a Turkish Jew had Spanish origin.
You would NOT have been if you had knowledge of history.

And I might add, you continue to format your posts like an 8 year old with an incoherent coloring book.

"Proportion of the Jewish population of Canada"
WTF is that? Covering embarrassment with Off Topic nonsense?
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Gülten means "rose skin", i.e. white.

Israelis - both Jews and Arabs - are very fond of Turkey and its people. Extremists like Erdogan are ruining the relationships between our peoples. I use Turkish clothes, Turkish sunflower oil, Turkish dish soap, and I'd pay a small fortune for some genuine Turkish halva but sadly there isn't any...

An objective independent source would look at both sides in a conflict, something that your sources do not. Not reliable, sorry.

 

He's playing word games and mind games. He basically says "look at yourselves and think where would you - Jews - be without Turkey". Sometimes he's right, sometimes he's wrong, sometimes he's too cryptic failing his own goal.

 

It's only hate filled & slanderous Hasbara Trolls who refer to Independent media as "Hate / conspiracy" sites

Meanwhile, there is no "GOEBBELS HANDBOOK" while there does exist a Hasbara Handbook for Zionist shills unable to debate on fair ground and willing to lie for cash(1)


(1) Israeli students to get $2,000 to spread state propaganda on Facebook”
https://electronicintifada.net/blog...ts-get-2000-spread-state-propaganda-facebook”

EXCERPT “The National Union of Israeli Students (NUIS) has become a full-time partner in the Israeli government’s efforts to spread its propaganda online and on college campuses around the world.

NUIS has launched a program to pay Israeli university students $2,000 to spread pro-Israel propaganda online for 5 hours per week from the “comfort of home.”

The union is also partnering with Israel’s Jewish Agency to send Israeli students as missionaries to spread propaganda in other countries, for which they will also receive a stipend.

This active recruitment of Israeli students is part of Israel’s orchestrated effort to suppress the Palestinian solidarity movement under the guise of combating “delegitimization” of Israel and anti-Semitism.”CONTINUED

Since you're unable to refute anything I post & only capable of snarky personal insults..... Welcome to my "Ignore List"

 

Thank you, precision!

 

Ahh!
Gone from the Goebbelsian 'Blissful-wisdom', 'trionfopublishing', etc, to ElectronicIntifada!
We all feel so much better about your anti-Joo Conspiracy Trolling now.
ElectronicIntifada is, by name, unabashed Arab Hasbara.

Is everyone who is pro-Israel, (app 70% of the USA) or factually correct, a "Hasbara Troll"?
What is the point of this unmedicated obsession?
Is this your only answer to getting PORKED in every debate?
The refutation is by a college student ringer "Hasbara"?
You can't handle a college student?

A "Hasbara" 'propagandizer' would be starting alot of pro-Israel strings, not wasting time arguing with mental defectives mid-string.

The most noticeable Israel headliner here is a raging anti-semite, who posts nothing but anti-Israel/joo posts. While you not only don't start strings, just try and dump your hate/conspiracy crap everywhere but the section it's topical in.
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The what? This is backed up by norms and morals made globally, and it's been placed into international law. And them civilians across the border on occupied territory are a violation of international law / Geneva Conventions. You lot are just paria's to all of this. Just childish / Complained dismissed

^^
famous how the Jews moves on vacant land all the time
Complained dismissed

It says books. That will do. Deal with it.
Complained dismissed

Gaza is fully occupied by Israel. So says the world.
Complained dismissed

http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/u-s-foreign-aid-to-egypt-1948-present
About 1.5 billion in proof a year.
Complained dismissed

The refused to cooperate. I'm not interested in your biased point of view of why.
Complained dismissed

That is just as good as the same. It's just utterly ridiculous to claim apples and pears.
Complained dismissed

You got an independent source for that?

 

1. The Geneva convention does not apply to the Israel Palestink situation, only its signatories and Sovereigns of the time. There was no palestine at the time, just a rejected partition plan and a land that was in legal limbo - 'occupied', and soon after (1950) annexed by Jordan.
Jordan only gave up 'Palestine' when they lost it. Until then 'palestinians' had Jordanian citizenship and passports.
And of course, 70% of Jordan's population is 'Palestinian', as is it's queen.


2. The old BS Four Maps. (yawn)

Here's what happened when someone tried to post them in the Real World. (not electronicIntiHaHa)
https://www.theatlantic.com/interna.../andrew-sullivan-revises-history-again/37401/

Further:
CAMERA: Back to the Future:
http://www.camera.org/index.asp?x_context=4&x_outlet=28&x_article=291