This blind unreasoned hatred of the President needs to stop now

Yes I am amazed at this version from the Right that says there is either 100% Truth or 100% lies. Now I tend to work on the assumption that most of the fratboys that post are in college. What is the state of the US education system that would reduce their understanding of current affairs to such binary grunting? Can you get a degree if you think like this, if you are utterly incapable of understanding the argument you are trying to counter, if you lack curiosity to the extent that you would read around an issue from several perspectives? The level of stupidity in some of the straw men that people post is breathtaking. I used to think this was just trolling...posting something that misses the point so wilfully and so ignorantly that it winds me up. Now I think this is actually how much of the Right think. I honestly could do a better job if I argued their point for them.

But let me defend Trump seeing as they are doing such a poor job. He is not a Nazi nor is he a Nazi sympathiser. And not just because real Nazis would exterminate members of his family.

Now clearly things have changed. Nixon denounced Rockwell as soon as Rockwell endorsed him. It is de rigeur in Western democracies for conservatives to disassociate themselves from extremists. Not now in the USA. Trump has decided that anyone who loves him will be rewarded with his loyalty to some extent. So he is coy when it comes to upsetting neo-Nazis. They are part of his base after all. And we know that even when he murmurs something critical under pressure the neo-Nazis get the message that he doesn't mean it because he cuts them so much slack in other ways. We know because they say this. Duke said this post Charlotteburg

But no matter how much Trump gives them a free ride, they are a tiny proportion of his base. Nazis are ideological, often explicitly in favour of state ownership of industry. They are the opposite of the no/small government libertarians that form the majority of Trump's base or the working class rustbelt ex Dems that are the other part. Trump's base may be flirting with a new kind of fascism which has yet to fully emerge, but they are explicitly NOT national socialists.

Trump's popularity is his authenticity. And even though he is a fake in so many ways he is authentic as someone who is NOT part of the liberal elite. He is authentically anti-liberal East Coast elite (to his dismay as he wanted to be their friend and they rejected him) simply because he is authentically antithetical to everything they are. He is brash, vulgar, wilfully ignorant and wilfully uncultured. He can't string a sentence together coherently. The base loves that. He can't develop an argument with any nuance or complexity. Neither can they - I mean the ones at the rallies!

He even eats his steaks extra well done which mean I despise him just for that and I'm a liberal globalist elitist par excellence (even can speak French).

His supporters really don't look much deeper than that. And maybe that is correct? Because apart from his extreme narcissism which drives literally his every waking moment (as with all people who suffer from Narcissistic Personality Disorder), there isn't anything more to see about Trump. He doesn't hide his nature.

So to accuse him of being a Nazi is ridiculous. That would mean he would have to read something by a Nazi, digest it, understand it, critique it. I'm sure I have read more Nazi literature than he has. When asked about Duke the second time he said he didn't know anything about him at all. This contrasted with a statement he made years before where clearly he had an opinion on Duke. OK it's a liberal media gotcha moment but here's the reality: he really doesn't know that much about David Duke. That would require attention span which he lacks. He doesn't really know much about anything remember. (Who knew X could be so complicated, who knew?). But back in the day, he condemned Duke. Why? Because this would maximise the number of people who loved him. This is the only important thing to Trump - whatever will feed his narcissism. Now fast forward 2017, when there are quite a few nasty types like Duke supporting him, and now he's feeling the heat that not everyone loves the Donald - he's not so sure. It's not "You're Fired" any more where you've got Piers Morgan to kiss your backside all the time. Trump doesn't throw away adulation. He's loyal. Duke has praised him and Trump will at least know this. Somewhere in the back of his mind he knows that Duke's a wrong 'un but hey the fella loves him. So he ducks the question.

He obfuscates. Like a politician? Yes and no.

Is he a liar? Kind of. The way all politicians are liars. So yes. But here's the big "no" and it's a powerful point of view that liberals should take note of: Did he do it in a Bill Clinton smarmy pseudo intellectual way where he droned on for hours making some obtuse philosophical point to dodge his critics? Hell no! The Donald just lied the same way your buddy down the pub lies when you catch him contradicting himself. Donald a Nazi? Don't be ridiculous. Fake news, lock her up, build that wall, yabba yabba yabba... and that's how the stuff starts.

I kind of get it. That's not a tongue in cheek analysis. I get why the MSM wind up the Trump base. I get it because I know such people. I hate people who debunk knowledge and reason and who can't get their head around the plot of Julius Caesar. I don't hate them because they are poor because I know a lot of intellectual people who were poor. But I also hate supercilious pseudo educated people who wear their learning like Prada. Wilfully superior people are just as tedious as the wilfully ignorant and uncultured. Trump is dangerous. But people need to understand why he is seen as authentic and striking a chord. Because what you see - an orange extreme narcissist with a short temper - is what you get. There's nothing more to him really so all the over analysing of Trump is just liberal elite chatter. And today it's all about authenticity, which the Left lacks completely. Apart from Bernie... and that's a whole other story.

 

LOL, not around during Bush?

 

I'll say it again - questioning the actions of Presidents is an American pastime. Has always been. We see it a bit more front and center now because of social media, but it's always been there.

If Trump and his FanBoys can't take the questioning and the heat - time to pack it in, cause it ain't gonna change for Trump any more than it did for Obama, Bush, Clinton, Reagan ...

 

LOL, we laugh at the hysterical SJW meltdown.

 

Ayers did not harm so much as one person.

Your hero killed many innocents and injured countless more.

 

I wouldnt mind evidence showing Trump is a racist.

 

http://thehill.com/homenews/news/31...elated-to-trump-apartment-discrimination-case
There are many more indicators that did not end up in court.

 

You can easily google his statements about Mexicans or the Mexican judge. Or about black people counting his money. And then of course there are his endless failures to disavow racist groups not to mention his obvious coded use of " make America great again" which every racist understands means make America white again.

 

Trump didn't denounce racism today, therefore he's a racist. Hmm...

 

So we can assume you find my other points valid?

 

I was around and opposed his stupid war. Where were you?

 

More whining by conservatives.



The Right. Can dish, can't take. Or govern.

 

He tried like hell, like setting off explosives at the pentagon. And his wife probably did. There is still no comparison between a sole crazy and a former terrorist supporting and launching Obama's career.

 

You are misunderstanding. People are opposing the propaganda-based manipulation that has resulted in mass insane hate.

 

Bush certainly was responsible for Obama becoming President but I didn't know he was a terrorist

 

Otherwise known as the truth. But it is more disgust and fear than hate. Disgust at having a President who lies continuously and without shame, and fear at having a person with extreme Narcisdistic Personality Disorder in charge of the government and the military.

 

Propaganda works because people believe it and mistake it for truth.

Assuming this is true, is it such a good idea to keep antagonizing him? It seems to me that if there's a crazy man in office, the last thing you would want to do is set him off.

 

So let a crazy man have a free rein??? That's NUTS!

 

That is your conclusion that you jumped to.

No. Assuming you are correct, it might be a better idea to advise and "help" him.

 

Thanks for proving my point that McVeigh is your hero since you feel so compelled to defend him.

 

If true, then they should have protested even more vociferously at the hate spewed towards Obama and Clinton before him.

 

when did the blind hatred of Obama stop?

 

True to a certain extent. I only disagree with the "even more vociferously" part. The hate for Trump goes far beyond what was directed toward Obama.

 

Oh, good idea, except that he fires anyone who doesn't Kiss His Royal Butt...

 

Wait a minute..

That is demonstrably untrue.

http://www.politicalforum.com/index.php?threads/first-cohn-now-tillerson-turn-on-trump.513346/unread