More Holes in Russia-gate Narrative

Why would he recuse himself other than to placate Russia-sympathizing Trump fans?

It's not Mueller's responsibility to adjudicate the case, it's his responsibility to pursue the likelihood of wrong doing by the Trump Admin. Either members of the Trump Admin broke the law, or they didn't. If they didn't, then Mueller has nothing; if they did then they should be brought to justice. His "friendship" with Comey does not supply a bias sufficient enough to warrant recusal.

 

Wise move.. He would have contributed to Trump's narrative that the election was rigged and voters would have been panicked.

 

Considering all the bull**** that people say that can be traced back to a Facebook post that they 1/2 read, they are "super effective" in spreading "sound bite" propaganda. Bombard people with enough of this garbage, and they start believing it; just look at the current state of alt-right media and its heavy reliance on Russian propaganda and how many times it is parroted on this board and other places.

 

LOL, left wing media was full of false propaganda.

 

But the election was rigged by the Russians

 

According to whom? You? Trump?

 

Hillary and the TDS sufferers.

 

No by interfering and buying ads on Facebook they rigged the election for Trump and Obama let that happen

 

I hate to say it but this Russian conspiracy theory delusion seems to be psychosis.

I also don't understand how the Democrat party can be so f****** stupid to not understand that their candidate was so worthless and ignorant and corrupt that she lost against Donald Trump. That should have been in easily won election.

They just slipped down into this delusion instead of thinking maybe their problem is theirs and not some Russian Boogeyman.

 

Hatred consumes people and rots their mind. Hatred also turn haters into what they hate.

 

DNC doesn't cooperate because one of their own did the hacking and gave it to Assange. My theory was that it was Sth Rich who was not happy at how the DNC screwed Bernie. Then mysteriously, he was murdered. Do they have a suspect yet? Then to deflect from that, the Russian narrative was started and Obama latched onto it. They used the Fisa courts to get warrants on foreigners and then listened in to try to see what their political opposition was up to. Isn't that illegal? Do we live in a police state? Is this a banana republic? We obviously did under Obama.Truth must come out and the guilty must be punished. Deja vu Watergate.
And let's not forget the Awans ...Democrats are corrupt to the core.

 

Good words. Now, can you live by them?

 

Are you kidding? I never fancied you a conspiracy nut.

 

I try to maintain balance...

 

Balance is good. It's essential. Left and Right are like a Mother and Father. We need the balance of a nurturer along with stoicism.

 

I have some different primary questions

1. Is the alleged hacking technically possible if some one wanted to do this
2. Assuming it is possible, would Russians be sufficiently technically sophisticated to do this if they chose to do so
3. Assuming Russia could do this, do they have any history of doing this sort of thing in other cases
4. Assuming they have capability and history, Would Russia have any interest or motive in doing this sort of thing... with or without collusion in this particular case

 

Substance = 0
Ad hom = 2

Batting 1000.

 

So... there should be no ability to recuse oneself? Is that your position?

 

https://www.usnews.com/opinion/thom...ies-compromise-the-trump-russia-investigation

 

Yes to all four.

Now here are my questions:
1) How many votes did the Russian hacking and release onto Wikileaks change?
2) Is it just the Russians engaging in Cyber-warfare with the United States?
3) What percentage of news, "Facebook ads" and other internet activity is influenced by or actively conducted by forces hostile to the USA?
4) Will these hostile actions stop now that the election is over or are they ongoing?

 

Unknown and unknowable... however almost certainly more than zero

No, other countries do this also
And for that matter, the United States has previously deployed effectively similar strategies

How could this question be even approximately answered?

There is no reason they would have stopped other than the fact that there are no meaningful elections taking place at the moment

 

More than zero? Sure. 2? 3? More likely is that some staunch Democrats became so disgusted by Hillary's cronyism and both her and the DNC's corruption that they just said "**** it" and stayed home.

Yes, meaning nothing new here. It's been going on for years and will continue to be a problem.

Agreed, meaning you don't know just like the question about votes. I don't know either, so why are there people here acting like they do know?

Like years past, they continue to work on it. There's the upcoming election and both Ukraine and Syria continue to be a problem. By seeding dissent, they hope the US will butt out so Russia can be the dominant influence in the area.

 

Seems like every liberal I talk to says they didn't support Clinton, but can't figure out why she lost. Must of been Russia somehow...

 

They better not tell Hillary; she'll scold them and never forgive them...just before she goes home and downs a few bottles of wine.

 

Hillary was a horrible candidate and ran a horrible campaign
Which is why she did not win

Yes, and yes

The question at hand is whether any individuals from the trump campaign knowingly participated in Russian efforts

If they did do that, and there is no problem in that, then they should admit their participation
Currently they deny it, which could be a lie, which is being investigated

Because there is a lot of smoke indicating deception and cover up
If these things happened, and they are ok.... then it would be best to be straightforward about that

Why would there be a cover up when nothing is wrong?

Not sure of your point