More Holes in Russia-gate Narrative

After all this time no one said specifically how the voters were influenced by Russia. Why? Because they weren't. There minds were pretty much made up in 2008. And when the MSM showed all those vids of HRC falling and stumbling the voters deemed her as weak.

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Cyber warfare, mostly as a disinformation campaign, is ongoing. It's intended to influence American ideas away from supporting allies, stepping down from a position on the world stage and encouraging isolationism. Of course the result is to leave Russia (or China) as the main players in their desired areas of influence.

 

First, that can't be proved or disproved.

Second, it's not like any Hillary voters suddenly switched to Trump. Odds are, Democrats just became discouraged at the corruption and stayed home. Specifically Bernie voters. Likely, but can't be proven.

Either way, the actions of the ****ing Russians do not require the assistance or collusion of any Americans.

 

Yes
And in this case opposing a candidate perceived as a more aggressive international actor

 

No she ever claimed it was rigged. The point is, she and her supporters claimed that the outcome would be fair and final....until she lost!

 

LOL The flip-flop of both candidates after the election was the funniest part!

 

Really? The best you can do? Take yourself back to the woodshed.

 

I want to debate the topic, you want to debate me personally. Address my argument and I will gladly undress yours. To date you are just flamebaiting.

 

We have an investigation run and supported by Russian dupes attempting to destroy a duly elected chief executive.

 

One can only hope

 

According to Assange, Mueller has made no such effort.

 

Antiduopolist said:

We have an investigation run and supported by Russian dupes attempting to destroy a duly elected chief executive.

Duly noted.

 

Precisely. The truth is NOT what Mueller is seeking.

 

That rigging cost her the election.

And she was told this; she and the _________ were warned by millions of voters that if they screwed Bernie, they were done.

They didn't listen then, and they aren't listening now.

All they can hear is the echo of their own corrupt voices.

 

I see an *investigation* which looks more and more like a Russia-controlled hack of our democratic republic in an effort to tear down our duly elected president.

 

True about Clinton, and of course many interests attempt to influence elections.

But attempts to influence do NOT = a hack or collusion.

Are Russians supporting/controlling/guiding/aiding Mueller in an attempt to destroy our republic?

Time will tell.

 

"There is no serious person out there who would suggest somehow that you could even rig America's elections." - Barry Obama

Case closed.

 

There may be collusion by Mueller with the Russians now; we should all be concerned about that.

 

I hope Mueller has good answers for your questions about why he's attacking a democratically elected president.

 

It's interesting; the Deep State wanted Clinton and war with Russia, but now may be under Russia's control in attempting to destroy Trump.

Maybe Russia knows that it will blow up in Mueller's face without harming Trump?

 

LOLOLOL.....

 

Nobody, including Clinton, wants a war with Russia.. What a pathetic claim.

 

Thanks for the info, but I'll take it with a grain of salt. Assange has a lot more to lose here than Mueller and I think Mueller is a stand-up guy.

 

Agreed influence ≠ collusion.

No on Mueller. In fact, I doubt there was any real collusion from the Trump campaign, although being offered dirt on Hillary would be tempting to accept. Most of Trump's dealings with the Russians were business and there's a lot to be made there. I doubt Trump actually thought he could win the election.

 

Like Starr's investigation "attacking a democratically elected president"?