ISIS Driven out of Raqqua

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  1. Jeannette

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    I think Russia ended the communications with the coalition after the false flag chemical attack, and the bombing by Trump... but I'm not sure.

    Syria is a sovereign nation, and Assad is its duly elected and recognized president. Assad invited only two nations into Syria: Russia and Iran. All the nations in the American coalition are illegal and are invading sovereign territory under the excuse of fighting terrorists.

    Assad has complained many times about it to the UN, not only because they have killed Syrian soldiers to help ISIS, but also because they are indifferent towards the lives of the Syrian civilians in places like Raqqa.

    The Syrian army has freed over 90% of the country, and has proven itself capable of freeing the rest of the country, and Assad wants the American coalition to get the hell out of there.

    Here's what the Chief of the Syrian Army's General Staff, Ali Abdullah Ayyoub told SANA news agency on Wednesday:

    Washington is trying to impede the success of the Syrian Army amid the war on terror. “The US is hindering the Syrian Army’s advances during its operations against terrorist groups”, Ayyoub said.

    The US is using the help of the terrorists and contractors to attack the Syrian Army”, Ayyoub added.

    The Syrian military leader revealed that the Syrian Forces have vast combat experience which will help them eliminate terrorist groups as soon as possible.
    Here's what the Chief of Main Operation Dept. of Syrian Army Ali al-Ali said:

    The United States provides weapons to jihadist groups, including ISIS, and not to the supposed moderate opposition.

    "We know that the United States supplied to terrorists in Syria 1,421 trucks with military property and armaments between June 5 and September 15," he revealed.

    "The weapons were allegedly meant for the fight against terrorists, but in the end they came into the hands of gunmen of the ISIS and Jabhat al-Nusra (Hayyat Tahrir al-Sham)," he said.

    According to the Syrian military, most weapons obtained by Syrian radicals are purchased by US defense companies Chemring and Orbital ATK under the Pentagon’s state program on assistance to US allies, TASS reported.
    http://www.fort-russ.com/2017/10/syria-us-supplies-weapons-to-radical.html


     
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    What I'm saying is quite clear and if you had watched Obama speak during the debate and once he had pulled the troops there would be no need for this question.

    Had you watched the link where he said "I promised to 'end the war in Iraq. And I did" he did not mention that he was forced to leave by al-Maliki and the lack of a SOFA. Had you watched the debate with Romney you'll see where he said he didn't want a SOFA.

    If you listen and watch what Obama said you would have to ask me any questions at all. BHO explained it all, and yet for some reason you're still buying into the SOFA excuse. Why?,
     
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    The Syrian Army didn't free 90% of Syria.

    They must have forgot all those weapons that came in from Libya. Gadhafi's stockpile. Why would they purposely forget about that?

    Also, I see no mention of Al Nusra pledging to AQ after they were receiving US support with the other Syrian Rebels.
     
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    You're right, it's probably more.

    I have news for you, Al Nusra and Al Queda is one and the same. It's Al Queda in Iraq, and Al Nusra in Syria. Now to confuse people even more they are called Al Sham something or other.

    Al Nusra are the ones who were beheading the Christians, eating people's heart, and palsying around with McCain.
     
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    :roll:


    LOL.....Al Sham was there long before Al Nusra. Oh and at first Al Nusra wasn't part of AQ. Later they pledged to AQ. Also there was that tiff with Bagdadi. Which is why they didn't join Daesh. Bagdadi use to be AQ in the Levant/Iraq. Then became the head of Daesh.
     
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    Because the SOFA is the reason we withdrew.
     
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    Yeah, but many left ISIL/ISIS/Daesh and joined Al Nusra, because they were more extreme. It's Al Nusra who are beheading Christians, and eating hearts in Syria, which probably endears them to a couple of the neighboring countries as well as McCain... .So stop this bit about them being moderate terrorists, which is an oximoran in itself. How can someone be a terrorist and be moderate?

    As for Al Sham, two groups use that name. All I know is that Al Nusra is one, so you're probably thinking of the older one.
     
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    No one ever said Al nusra were moderate. You do know that most of Al Nusra are Foreign Fighters from the West, Baltics, East, some even from Libya, Right?

    Btw its Jabhat al-Nusra. There is only the one Ahrar al Sham. They have always been extremists and provide the backbone of the Syrian Islamic Front.





    Another prominent group, Ahrar al-Sham, shares much of Nusra’s extremist ideology but is made up mostly of Syrians.....snip~

    As extremists rose in the rebel ranks, the United States sought to limit their influence, first by designating Nusra a terrorist organization, and later by pushing for the formation of the Supreme Military Council, which is linked to the exile opposition group, the Syrian National Coalition.

    Although led by an army defector, Gen. Salim Idris, the council has taken in the leaders of many overtly Islamist battalions. One called the Syrian Liberation Front has been integrated nearly wholesale into the council; many of its members coordinate closely with the Syrian Islamic Front, a group that includes the extremist Ahrar al-Sham, according to a recent report by Ms. O’Bagy, of the Institute for the Study of War.

    In the past, United States officials saw the Islamist groups’ abundant resources as the main draw for recruits, said Steven Heydemann, a senior adviser at the United States Institute of Peace, which works with the State Department.

    The strategy is based on the current assessment that popular appeal of these groups is transactional, not ideological, and that opportunities exist to peel people away by providing alternative support and resources,” he said.

    Mr. Heydemann acknowledged, however, that the current momentum toward radicalism could be hard to reverse.

    We all want an Islamic state and we want Shariah to be applied,” said Maawiya Hassan Agha, a rebel activist reached by Skype in the northern village of Sarmeen. He said a country’s laws should flow from its people’s beliefs and compared Syrians calling for Islamic law with the French banning Muslim women from wearing face veils.....snip~

    http://www.nytimes.com/2013/04/28/wo...anted=all&_r=0
     
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    You're quoting from the NYTimes, so it's not worth my while.
     
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    I'm wondering if the bombing and destruction of civilian areas and infrastructure like electric and water purification plants by the American coalition in oil rich Raqqa, wasn't deliberate since the FSA is made up predominantly of Kurds. This way they can repopulate the city with a Kurd population, now that the American bombing eliminated the Arabs.

    This is going on all over, and it fits in with the Israeli and American plans of creating an Israel friendly Kurdistan separating Syria from Iran... In the meantime, the Kurds who left Kirkuq, are now kicking Arabs out of their homes in Erbil, and taking them over.
     
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    You can go to the Institute for the Study of War. Check out Ms. O’Bagy's report directly and not go with what NY Times was reporting on. It still wont change her report.

    I can understand the doubts with the NY Times.....it is a liberal rag that advocates openly for the leftness. Still for some odd reason....they consider it a Main News Source for Print. Sometimes they can report without tissues for their issues.
     
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    Fighting might start between the Syrian army and FSA over Raqqa, and it will be interesting to see what Russia will do, since it is on friendly terms with the Kurds, and recognized their independence in Iraq, and yet is a guarantor of Syrian sovereignty.

    I have a suspicious nature, so I think the American coalition destroyed the city so as to change the demographics by forcing the Arabs to leave. Now the allies are rushing to pour money into restoring it, so that the Kurds can move in before the Arabs can reclaim their homes. (This is only my opinion of course).

    Here's something from RT on the destruction of Raqqa:

    The capture of Syria’s Raqqa by US-backed militias from jihadists came at the high cost of the virtual annihilation of the city itself. This victory, reminiscent of the one in Mosul, northern Iraq, could now pit the militias against the Syrian army.

    What the US-led coalition did to Syria’s Raqqa is comparable to the infamous Allied bombing of Dresden in 1945, the Russian Defense Ministry said, adding that the allies may be rushing to pour money into Raqqa to cover up the aftermath.

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    [​IMG]
    ^^
    This is the way the US saves civilian lives by "precision bombardments".
    But in reality they just carpet bombed the crap out of those civilians.
    The picture says it all.
     
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    How do we know it isn't ISIS that bombed the crap out of those buildings?
     
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    But ISIS was inside of those buildings.
     
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    But certainly no one makes war in white gloves.
     
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    Because ISIS was inside them buildings. Not to worry... Americans, with all their justice, will never take any responsability on massacres they commit. They only whine when others do.
     
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    The US spends a lot on humanitarian efforts.
    US funding for foreign development is second only to the European Union (which consists of 28 separate countries). https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Development_aid#Top_donor_countries
    Humanitarian relief and development assistance are different, though related, and just as with development assistance, the US leads the international effort:
    Military spending is much higher, but national defense is an obligation, helping others is not. Evidently providing development assistance and humanitarian relief varies, it will depend on how charitable the government feels and how well the economy is doing.
    According to Wiki (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_foreign_aid) Afghanistan is the largest recipient of aid from the US, Israel and Egypt are 2nd and third).
     
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    The US maybe second. But it's a very distant second to the EU.
    And even though the EU is 28 separate countries... money given per person by the US is just low.

    That is all mostly military aid. Egypt is all about oppressing the population to support it's dictatorship. It's a bribing them for the sake of Israel. And Israel is mostly so the Jews can go forth ethnic cleansing Palestinians and expand their Jew nation. Afghanistan is all for ousting a regime to install their puppet regime,.. just like the US did in Iran. There is nothing humanitarian about this.
     
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    Hilarious.
     
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    If you still believe that even after listening to what Obama had to say then, my friend, you are sans hope.
     
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    ISIS doesn't have planes. Hey, your government lies, face up to it.
     
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    The killings of Syrians is hilarious to you? Why, because they're Arabs? Watch it, because you're not immune. What goes around comes around.
     
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    You quoted Reuters, and it's part of the MSM propaganda outlets. Notice how that article in Reuters doesn't say where the money is going to help the Syrian people, because it's not going to Syria. In fact the Syrian people are suffering extensively because of the sanctions imposed on it by Washington. Sound familiar:



    Thank God Russia and China are taking nations get off the American dollar, that way Washington's barbarities can end.
     
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