Trump administration lifts ban on importing heads of hunted elephants

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  1. QLB

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    It's OK Alex, we think the same about anti's.
     
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    The buff had taken a go a several work parties. We found a poacher's snare imbedded into his hoof which probably made him mean. Who do you think you are as to define morality in any way shape or form?
     
  3. Aleksander Ulyanov

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    Then you did the community a service and the animal a mercy. I said I approved of such hunting where necessary

    I'm a man, no more or less than any other, and defining morality in our own minds is something we all do no matter what external form of it we ascribe to. It's what makes us human. I understand hunting's allure but my final feelings on the matter agree with KIpling:

    Ye may kill for yourselves, and your mates, and your cubs as they need, and ye can;
    But kill not for pleasure of killing, and seven times never kill Man! (from The Law of the Jungle)
     
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  4. Aleksander Ulyanov

    Aleksander Ulyanov Well-Known Member

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    We agree on one thing then. I understand and sympathize with the Antifa viewpoint but you can understand a philosophy while still believing its practice is wrong.
     
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    US Fish and Wildlife and African conservationists aren't biological enough for you?
     
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    You are clearly not a hunter. If you were, you'd know that killing isn't hunting. And that the rewards are a kaleidoscope of pleasures, involving everything from and between the first plan to the first night back in your own feather bed. The wickedness that you and so many other misguided souls perceive and suspect are the wild intentions lurking within your own hearts.
     
  7. Aleksander Ulyanov

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    Killing is killing, and enjoying killing is creepy. We all have our creepy side but I don't believe in indulging mine.
     
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    They'll do. What I want is for the hunting itself to be done by qualified people for scientific/environmental purposes. I don't believe in sport hunting as I don't see any "sport" in it. Equipped as most hunters are nowadays a PERSON wouldn't be able to get away from you. I realize that animals have senses and even weaponry we don't but they remain largely inoffensive creatures that don't bother us and just want to live their lives, such as they are.
     
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    Possibly. I have to admit to a certain grudging likability on her part, (and she's certainly not hard to look at). She at least has the decency to APPEAR embarrassed by the old man from time to time
     
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    It won't though. Trophy hunters love to tell stories of how elusive their prey can be, and how intelligent and resourceful. What they don't seem to realize is that what they're recounting with such relish is the desperate struggle of a sentient being to stay alive. A creature that is no doubt overwhelmed with fear of a being it knows very little about except that it is very powerful and wishes to kill it for no reason it can discern. The best description I have ever heard of how animals regard us is as with "superstitious dread" and most hunters like being thought of that way. Creepy? You betcha.
     
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    you don't say

    LOL!!
     
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    I trust the US Fish and Wildlife and African conservationists over partisan politics and the unstable judgments of anti hunters.
     
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    I could go for a venison roast in red wine gravy and some deer sausage. But there are plenty of deer in america.
     
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    If you see the turkey with body armor you know you've been found out.
     
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    There are also plenty of elephant and there would be more if the poaching stopped. Hunters aren't the problem. However venison steak slow cooked in olive oil in a iron skillet is perhaps better.
     
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    I go for hot and fast myself, keeps the meat juicy.
     
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    However there is nothing quite like chicken fried backstrap. I soak mine in milk along with Adolph's meat tenderizer overnight.
     
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    Interesting that you think domestic livestock have better lives than wild animals and I think that may be illustrative of the liberal vs conservative minds. To me a deer that lives a wild and free life until a predator kills it leads a far better life than a cow that is fenced into a small area and thrown hay and fed grain and never knows the joy of survival on it's own and complete freedom. They don't even get a dignified death of trying to escape a predator. They are rounded up and trucked to a slaughter house and executed. I watch the deer in front of my house chase each other around and it's a joy to watch the bucks fight over females. We name the deer and recognize them from the scars they carry from being raked by mt lions. It's nature and it's beautiful and a far cry from ugly and dirty feed lots full of cows. Before you say it, no I don't shoot deer off my porch. They come to think of my yard as a sanctuary and lose their fear of man here. I always hunt a mile or more from my house to meet these elusive prey animals on their own terms.
     
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    Melts in your mouth
     
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    Mine too. We don't allow hunting near the house and give them names as well. The smart ones stay close during the season. Deer here are really target practice and there are so many does that they do have to be culled, however I just don't do it. Gisselle, the big doe with long legs and twins is off limits if possible is she stays on my property.
     
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    We have lots of Axis around here. A whole axis backstrap, properly tenderized then slow grilled over a mesquite fire is also a favorite of mine. I've used a variety commercial sauces as a baste. Even on a gas grill Axis is just superb.
     
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    We had two brother bucks that we watched grow up over the years from fawns to spikes to three points and this year they were both five points. For some reason they continued to hang out together all these years and earlier this year they were constantly sparring in the front yard in preparation for the rut to set in. A couple of weeks ago I went out to burn some logging slash a few hundred feet behind my house and found one of them half eaten by a mountain lion. It really made me kind of sad but he lived a good life. I tried to salvage the unharmed hind quarter but the meat had already soured so I got my tractor and put him in the bucket and took him far from the house so my dogs wouldn't feed on him and in turn get fed on by the lion which was surely nearby. Poor guy, I miss him and his brother going at it every evening but such is nature.
     
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    I'm watching 8 through my window right now. If you want to get the cat drag the carcass to a tree with a low hanging limb and wire it there. Set up downwind far enough back so he won't see you when he circles around.
     
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    While we're at it, how about someone qualified, rather than you to make posts on this topic, raise your kids and make love to your wife.
     
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    I put a game cam on the carcass. Not sure if he found it or not though. I'm going to retrieve the cam today.
     

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