My Problems with New Atheism

I know that when I die, I’m dead I don’t have to believe that I go up to heaven and hang out with angels. I just can’t defy logic.

 

Just do some reading.

Even Eusebius cast doubt on Revelation -- and on Hebrews.

 

Christians play foot ball
Atheists play checkers

They can't work together

Atheism is a lack of belief in GOD

Does God depend on atheists for him to exist?

No

Does GOD rely on the man book, aka Bible or other religions books?

No.

Hunters looking for wild game look for scat
So, let's look for some GOD scat

I offer the universe .... every bit of it.

 

I hope you are wrong. I hear it is more fun than being on Earth.

 

Is the universe logical?

Got an idea for you.

What if the non believers spend forever encased in something similar to Amber. Similar to trapped insects.

And we who believe in GOD are free as a breeze. Scooting all over the universe, enjoying many planets.

Do you want to remain in Amber?

 

Marriage seems to have other purposes per the folks that are full blown homosexuals. They invented something else than marriage. Marriage is a legal term. It is there so the man collects two advantages.
1. Woman is his, for everything. To support, love and to bear his children
2. Children are his. Same thing but for bearing children. Early in mans history, no doubt a lot of incest was going on.

 

What do you care? Seriously, what do you care? Why do homosexuals persist on saying they got married? I believe it is only about money. Taxes go away and they go back to the old way. it is just money. nothing more than money.

 

The more pertinent question is why do you care?

Me, I'm ok with two people having a loving monogamous relationship acknowledged by their family, their peers and society.

I'm not much interested in figuratively or actually throwing them off of a tower.

 

Good grief!

/facepalm!

 

And what if believers spend their forever in amber because god is at a football huddle and cares as much about you as he does babies dying in droughts

 

Really? How long have you been hearing these voices? I heard I will go to the North Pole and work with the elves.

 

You absolutely detest people of faith and use them to excuse "godless humans" masquerading as Christian so I won't waste my time explaining it again.

Why wasn't the movemnet called "Black Lives Matter TOO"?? I think you're onto something there Sandy. You do know that BLM also includes Black Seperatists and I wouldn't doubt for a moment it includes New Black Panthers as well as the likes of Louis Farrakhan and other racists. You get them to change the name and I promise to send 100$ to their cause.

Your emphasis on "Village" in the Marxist Culture tends to take away authority from Mom and Dad and turns it over to the "collective" which is obviously the end desire. I work for strengthening the institution of Marriage in it's traditional meaning. Oh yeah, you love making stuff up about how I love abusive husbands. My wife was married to one who finally drank himself to death. Now I am the Father to her kids as well as my own. We know things don't always work out as planned in a fallen world, but we don't take our eyes off what "should be" Moms and Dads that is. Your Lesbian idea just does not bring the same stability. But then again.....you don't recognize the difference between men and women and their respective contributions..

 

Not only will I hang out with angels, I'll hang out with the cloud of witnesses that went before me and we'll hang out together on the new earth as well as,and more importantly having fellowship with my Redeemer. I look forward to that. I will not judge however what your soul will be doing.

 

Yes. ISIS does NOT represent Islam. You are forgetting that it is Muslims who are fighting ISIS.

I'm not surprised that the slaughter of the ME wars (in which WE participate) are serious enough to justify just about anything imaginable in the eyes of many. I see no justification for making that an issue of any kind, let alone a justification for continued religious war.

I've seen nobody make a religious connection to economic and social issues in these countries. Let's remember that under Islam the ME pushed science forward during historic periods - far beyond what the west achieved. You're having a causation v. correlation collapse on this one.

Palestine recognizes Israel's right to exist. And, they have for more than a decade. That's the most important case, and it's all the more amazing in that Israel is carrying out ethnic cleansing operations against them! Yet they STILL recognize Israel's permanence.


And, no, Palestinians have not had ANY chance at peace since Arafat. Your analysis of this situation is preposterous. Israel has carried out economic war on Palestine since before Arafat. In fact, they deny Gaza the right to EXPORTS. They don't allow kids in Gaza to leave Gaza to go to college! They have carried out a constant war on Gaza for the last decade while refusing to talk about anything at all.

Remember that the Bush "road map to peace", signed by Netanyahu and Abbas required the two states to carry out certain actions as preconditions to negotiation. Palestine met theirs. Israel refused to carry out their side, which was to withdraw from settlements that even Israel agreed were illegal.

After that, Israel has demanded the right to continue ethnic cleansing of Palestine DURING negotiations - where borders are one of the KEY issues. How can YOU are ANYONE possibly take Israel seriously when they want to continue stealing land during negotiations for borders they illegally crossed DECADES AGO??

 

Humanity really went off the rails once it accepted this male dominator God perception of reality.

 

You have a serious disconnect with reality. I notice you didn't answer any of my questions. Here's Ben Shapiro talking about the myth of the Muslim radical minority:



As for the Palestinians, we have given them enough money in the last 50 years that they could have BOUGHT half a dozen countries by now. Instead, they spent that money on terrorist activities against Israel. And YOU are the one deceived if you think the Palestinian "acceptance" of Israel is legit, because they have NOT changed or amended their National Covenant, despite their agreement to do so. "In 2009, Fatah officials, among them Azzam al-Ahmad and Nabil Shaath, confirmed that the Charter would remain unchanged." (From Al-Jazeera by way of Wikipedia) As for "illegal", all's fair in love and war, and the Israelis have been at war with the Palestinians since the 1920s, with the Palestinians the instigators nine times out of ten. I don't shed one tear of sympathy for them.

 

Shapiro's numbers and accusation are simply preposterous.

His central point is that those who support Sharia law are all radicalized - a ridiculous assessment.

Further, he harnesses cultural differences to infer that their religion is "at fault" and thus characterize the religion. That is also a totally bogus argument.

Another key issue is what people believe it takes to justify the violence he uses to suggest people are radicalized. I'd point out that WE view killing civilians as justified in certain situations. Our tactics from Vietnam onward have included the killing of civilians. Yes - we didn't TARGET civilians, but that wasn't a stipulation of your champion's numbers game. If WE were the ones being killed by an invading superpower without legitimate justification (as has been the case for those living in the ME) I would suggest we would lower our bar against the slaughter of civilians even lower that it is at present. One terrorist attack on the US had many in the US calling for wholesale slaughter of several ME populations even though it was clear they had NOTHING to do with the attack. We saw people in the US more than willing to attack civilians in the US purely out of suspicion that they might be Muslim.

I do not believe WE are radicalized. But, we need to notice that a non-radicalized population even such as ourselves can exhibit many of these characteristics that YOUR guy seems to believe justifies ... what?

What does he believe our response should be to his proclamation that an entire major world wide religion is a serious and immediate enemy?

 

Not radicalized, RADICAL.

Those cultural differences are primarily a consequence of the religion that they practice. Before Islam, there was no bar to eating pork in the Middle East (except among the Jews), but there was to marrying your cousin. After Islam, pork was banned and cousin marriages became common. The religion IS at fault.

This is complete rubbish. Civilian casualties have always been a by-product of modern warfare methods, but they have become fewer and fewer as our methods of slaughter have become more and more refined. During the Iraq invasion, American soldiers refused to open fire on mosques, even when they were being shot at from them. And extremist responses are to be expected when attacked, from any quarter. I'm sure there were those who wanted all Japanese-Americans to be rounded up and shot after Pearl Harbor.

An entire major world wide religion IS a serious and immediate enemy. Islam is fundamentally incompatible with Western Civilization, and as such is the largest threat we face since the effective end of Communism with the fall of the Soviet Union. Rather than facing that threat squarely and head-on, we have liberal apologists making excuses for it, the same liberals, I'd like to point out, who made excuses for Communism. Meanwhile, women and children lie dead in the streets as the result of vast numbers of Muslims pouring into the West. What possible justification can you make for that? "Sorry your wife and children are dead, but at least we aren't racist."

 

You managed to wander off of politics into culinary history.

Those who are having their families killed aren't thanking the USA for making the deaths of their families less commonplace.

In general, you're making a concerted effort to ignore US participation and ignore the situation as seen by those on the receiving end of being slaughtered.

While it is praiseworthy that we didn't destroy mosques, what we DID destroy was massive, as was the number of civilians we slaughtered. Yes, we apologized to some of their families. Do you think THAT made them forget who did the killing?

In fact, our work to disenfranchise all Sunnis was quite thorough and led to THEIR slaughter by the very government we put in power. We CHOSE Maliki because he was so good at being our point man in going after Sunnis!

There is no evidence that Muslims aren't doing just fine in America.

The fact of refugees pouring into the west is a result of the USA slaughtering those where they lived, destroying their homes and perpetrating a situation where they must flee.

I don't condone any violence on their part. But, if you don't want violence, then don't cause the conditions that absolutely DO breed violence.

And, don't blame their destitution and desperation on their religion.

 

You're the one who brought up culture. Demography is destiny, culture comes with the demographics, and the culture of the middle east is barbaric and antiquated. That is your destiny if we don't stop it.

85% of the population thinks reducing immigration is a good idea, and some 90% thinks reducing immigration from Muslim countries is a good idea.

Except for the Bush war in Iraq, we didn't start any of those wars, we just finished them. If they blame us for their destruction, that's their own self-delusion. The real culprits are their governments who made the wrong choice to poke the sleeping dragon.

Civilian casualties are a price of war. Considering the number of civilian dead in the Middle East (Iraq: 200K) compared to the civilian dead in World War II (50-55 million) and Vietnam (600K), we've gotten a lot better at keeping the price of war down.

I can't comment on that.

The question is, what is America gaining from Muslims. Because we aren't doing fine having Muslims here.

Actually, most of the "refugees" pouring into Europe DON'T come from war-torn Syria, but instead come from areas that are relatively peaceful but poor. They are economic and sexual migrants, looking for a better life and sex with white women. A significant portion of the "refugees" came to Europe carrying smartphones. These aren't people we should be worrying about or allowing in.

We don't cause the conditions that breed violence, they are already violent. Most of their violence is taken out on other Muslims, deemed heretics by the other side. Our involvement doesn't cause that at all. Their religion, on the other hand, justifies their violence and makes it seem like it is necessary, so it DOES breed violence.

Their destitution and desperation are caused by two major factors: IQ, which is partly the fault of their religion, and cultural backwardness, which is almost entirely the fault of their religion. Their IQ is depressed precisely because of cousin marriages, which causes birth defects and reduced IQ levels in their children. Their culture is backwards because their religion claims to be the final standard in all areas of life, including science, so any scientific claims that run contrary to Islam must be rejected. In neither case does anything the West do have any impact on why they are poor and desperate.

 

Just chaos. All there ever was.

 

There is something sick about a person who sees atheists as the detesting people of faith. I really think you should look into yourself and how unchristian like you think.
They didn’t call it black lives matter TOO probably because they didn’t allow for people who are NOT bright enough to understand what black lives matter means. It is a movement against racism and you are looking for some dark ulterior motive so you can justify bigotry
I recognize the difference between men and women But obviously you do not respect women because you think their role should be submissive and designed by men. What is wrong with a woman doctor having a husband who stays at home with the children? Why do you hate women so much that you don’t want to see them live their lives as they choose to that is constructive and rewarding. Did something happen in your life?

 

Many atheists in these forums do detest people of faith or they wouldn't use mocking terminology to describe the Savior they put their trust in. That is a fact and you can't deny it. They are the sick ones.
So..../those of us that understand that BLM includes Black Separatists, and Cop assainations are just not "bright enough" to understand what it means. I see.
So....you say I hate women, don't respect them, and don't approve Dads who stay at home with their children? You make stuff up and I would defy you to find any women that knows me to describe me that way. Guess you could say you are very BIGGOTED towards me. Wouldn't that fit the definition you like to use?

 

Because we mock religions, doesn’t mean we dislike the people. You insult atheists all the time saying hateful things, but I hope you don’t hate atheists. I hate smoking but does that mean I hate people who smoke?

So is it acceptable for women to work and men to be the homemakers? I accepted your dare and found 22 women who know you and they said you were bigoted toward them. (Tongue in cheek)

 

Yes it is acceptable, though while nursing can be difficult. I have a friend that does that. He has a lucatrive business in taxidermy out of his home. His wife has a well paying job as a nurse. Those 22 you found just conveiently happen to be part of the "me to" campaign.