Australia's Hard Choice Between China and the US

America is not perfect but thanks to our Judeo-Christian foundation we have a conscience

China has no concept of right and wrong

Only winning and losing

 

I agree that if Purchasing Power Parity (PPP) is used China is already ahead of the USA.

However, most economic agencies and entities use the nominal GDP in USD.

 

Lol.....it wouldn't be just the Aussies if they are coming to the aid of the US. Well, they have a policy that benefits them. As if anyone goes and attacks them. Then the US shows up and ends that problem.

 

The money itself is a derivative. We are not born with it. We don't die with it. We don't eat it. It's just a tool for us to do something good for the society. It is not something of value by itself. To think of there can be a theoretical alternative of society without the money. Yes. I know that communism failed. But it failed for a different reason. It was a low quality of politicians, weak development of self-governance in the USSR and non-economical methods of economy administration. It was before the computers and high bureaccracy level blocking decision-making. In theory there must be a system where a good doctor gets more from a society than a porn-star, for instance. Unfortunately all the research about the best way to develop a state stopped in 20th century. So we need to start with Aristotle again to formulate the very basics.
Anyway I am sure that parliament representative democracy is not any better than monarchy. This system was a good competitor to dictators, because the dictators are more limited in human resources. They are limited with their own views and likes. But the parliament itself at a point when it gets a group of corrupted people to drive the interests of international corporations are able to neglect the interests of the whole state as it happened with the USA. There should be a system much more efficient and less corrupted and I think that its best and foremost characteristic will be the refusal of the money as a tool. With all the development of technology we must come to a level where the demand and offer will meet in the market without the money. And since the US debt gets to a point that it will be impossible to maintain (which will happen) there will be only two ways to cope with it: a new system without the money or writing it off. The second means war or takeover. A global one.

 

Great crystal ball you have there. Can you tell me when it will rain next?

 

I guess we can count austrailia as a neutral country (at best) if china attacks the US

 

Why do I need a source? I can't have an opinion all by myself? I have to parrot someone else's opinion? This whole forum is opinions.

 

Most liberals do not think for themselves

 

An interesting tact. All I read are barely warmed over recitations of other folks bleatings. Of course, it ignores the obvious geopolitical conversation that was being had, and more, it undervalues the effect of the modernization that has accompanied the transformations there. So, "no disrespect", you seem unable to see the forest standing clearly in front of your gaze while you obsess over the tree limb that you find personally offensive. I would hazard that you've never actually worked with, or for one of said evil doing corporations that you so malign here. My guess is spoon fed pamphlet reading. And maybe just a skosh of MSNBC...

 

For example, like who?

 

I’m told that thanks to 40 years of liberal brainwashing in public schools the younger a person is the more likely they are to be socialists

And mindlessly hating private corporations goes hand in hand with that

 

Riiiggghhhtt Uhhuh Sure... We twist the words of a different prophet to justify our perfidy, that is the ONLY difference.

 

I would like to think that were true, it certainly used to be a sentiment I once shared -- but I was naiver back then -- but these days I think western conscience is good and dead. Among those who count and make the decisions anyway.

Let's face it, we send our own guys to fight terrible battles all over the planet wrecking destruction everywhere, and these same guys return home with missing limbs and unimaginable nightmares -- those that return anyway. And the ones that come back relatively unscathed are then tossed out of their job and can't easily get another one and end up begging under a bridge somewhere.

And why? All too keep fat cat elites in the luxury they've become used to.

 

I'd rather lose China as a trading partner and not be as prosperous than to lose the US as an Ally and get obliterated in a war. Let's not forget that a weakening in our relationship with the US would also put at risk our relationship with the UK.

 

I dont think so

Even godless liberals invoke Christian values when they want to influence US domestic and foreign policy

Because they know many Christians will respond

 

What country? Either way, why do they end up begging?

 

Weird that someone like the man with the red car should talk about 'Christian values'. I thought McCarthy had seen to it that America got none of that subversive talk. Heil Trump and Genesis!

 

Crikey, willya stawp, Jeebus willikers, one day you're going to look back on this and Cringe

Christians respond to Christian values because they're UNIVERSAL values, not because they're Christians, Your'e acting as if Christians love their children so much that they never ever abuse them while every one else eats their babies raw

The Golden Rule was first promulgated by Confucius and the religion he founded based largely on that simple dictum is still the main belief of most Chinese. Among other things Confucianism promotes the idea that one shouldn't accept morality unquestioningly but probe beneath the surface because evil is always ready to trap those who do not think for themselves

 

Godless china does not have Christian value and never will have

It has Confucisian and Marxist values

 

Christian values ARE Confucian and Marxist values, and Hindi, Shinto, even Muslim

Values are Universal, the phrasing and emphases vary but the basic meaning remains the same

 

The argument is that Nixon's decision to uncouple money from a physical backing such as gold and silver started the stampede for the beginning of the end of common sense, as fiat money has simply been financially engineered to self replicate over and over without increasing production or any of the other traditional means of wealth creation.

Whatever your view on that the facts of the matter is that the increase of fiat money, in just a few short decades, has been astronomically astronomical, with the concomitant huge increase in costs for what once were regarded as basic or essential services.

Better than a monarchy because it's not down to the bad mood or poor judgement of one man or woman. But as with all control systems, representative democracy is only as good as the people running it. Which these days is not at all good.

The financial TV commentator, Max Keiser, once quipped that the modern voter was worse off than the medieval serf because back then the process of theft was at least transparent; the Barons beat you over the head and took all your money. Today it's done when your back is turned, so to speak.

I think the chances are that the US will be forced to repudiate its debt, effect a big draw back from financially backed foreign trade - perhaps developing more on exchanging surplus commodities for others and/or services -- and withdraw from its global military role and then spend decades in glorious isolation as it rebuilds itself and its infrastructure. It's a huge continent and can feed itself and has sufficient natural resources to survive okay. But it's going to hurt.

 

What a prime example of an Anima outburst. I suppose I must've spiked your ire. Oh well, never mind...

 

We’ll see about that

Now that china is the envy of the world how do they do on the world rankings fir charity?

Not too high it seems

https://www.theguardian.com/news/datablog/2010/sep/08/charitable-giving-country

 

There are many, many British veterans on the dole and living rough. The British have never treated their soldiers well, considering what sacrifices they are expected to make.

 

For the benefit of clueless liberals who dont know thats an OSCA

It was designed and built by the Maseratti brothers in Italy circa late ‘40s to the 1950s