Government braces for shutdown as Senate fails to meet deadline for spending deal

No they don't.


Doing some research and found the polling that the Democrats are using and DACA isn't even mentioned in any of the questions that only 2,000 people who were asked.

No mention if the amnesty included the dreamers parents would they still support awarding dreamers with amnesty ? The Democrats proposal of amnesty for the dreamers also include awarding amnesty to their parents which over 90% of Americans are unaware of.

Here's the actual poll that the left are using -> https://morningconsult.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/09/170817_crosstabs_Politico_v1_TB.pdf

Only 2,000 people were polled.

The questions didn’t mention the DREAM Act specifically, but instead asked about the main thrust of the legislation.

Here’s the question that got the closest to what the pro illegal alien lovers are using.

"As you may know, Dreamers are young people who were brought to the United States illegally when they were children, often with their parents. Which of the following do you think is the best way to handle Dreamers?"

• 58 percent said Dreamers "should be allowed to stay and become citizens if they meet certain requirements."

• 18 percent said Dreamers "should be allowed to stay and become legal residents, but NOT citizens, if they meet certain requirements."

Combined, this is the total 76 % that Pelosi, pro open borders leftist and illegal aliens are using.

 

In fact it can all be resolved at a later date. It didn't have to be included in the budget. DACA should stand alone, along with the other provisions attached to it. It is generally accepted there will be no deportations unless crimes have been committed, and that can certainly be included through negotiation.

 

Own it Dems your leader says your absolutely crazy tieing Dreamers to a budget bill. You have til march to fix immigration because you never bothered when you had a chance. The Republicans will fix it for you.
https://hotair.com/archives/2018/01...-shut-government-immigration-politics-idiocy/

 

80% being 8 of the 10 Democrats that some liberal pollster called.

If you want amnesty then you're either asking for a recession/depression or you're too dumb to realize that's what will happen.

 

We will see in a few months at the midterms who the American people hold accountable for this mess. It is all nice to speculate now, but there are months of spin and propaganda to go to figure out who will take the damage of this idiocy. Both sides are in full blame the other guy mode. Who will Americans think is covered in more **** at the end of it all.

For me it looks a little telling the reps were able to get their catastrophic tax bill everyone hated passed despite democrat opposition. It seems to me that some dems need to be primaries with some better less corporate weasel dems. It is great they can save the dreamers if they want, but what was that failing on the tax bill? If it turns out the republicans were able to pass that Bill with a simple minority while they are not willing to do so with the budget when the only real reason was DACA then perhaps the republicants are failing their base also when they are allowing the dems to hold them up for dreamers. Maybe they need to run some more anti immigrant *******s who reflect their racist base a little better and stop pretending to be something they are not? Seems to me their base is pretty clear on what they want even if it is not overly popular among other Americans.

Perhaps it is time for the republicans to start getting more extremist fringe and stop sacrificing their beliefs for mealy mouthed RINOs while the dems should shift back to the left progressive values and stop being right wing conservatives. Then the republicans can go back to being real conservatives and the dems can go back to being real liberals, and we can let the idiot extremist right fade into obscurity.

 

There is time to make sure all employers do e-verify and make it very difficult for illegal invaders to live here. I could see a possible compromise with DACA if we can make sure this NEVER happens again. There will be NO DacaII. Those kids have no one but their parets to blame.

 

So in america children are responsible for the crimes of their parents. DACA isn't a bargaining chip. DACA is the right thing to do. Its the american thing to do.

 

The polls had Hillary winning by a wide margin too.

 

Boy that's a well used reply........ what 75 % of the time?

 

Exactly. The President had no active role except at the last minute where he failed. This is a President who actually has no grasp of issues and merely functions as an obstruction to constructive negotiation. The leaders of both parties have figured that out .

 

SNIP from Zorro
Are you serious with this?

The bill died in the Senate.

The President doesn't vote in the Senate.

He signs or vetos the bill after Congress passes it.

It didn't even get to the President's role in the process so what exactly could he have "negotiated"?
ENDSNIP

Rare I agree with Zorro, but he's basically correct..... although Trump tried to stick his big butt in the process and did fail....

No, not yet.... The D's have completely figured that out (probably day 2 of the presidency). However, McConnell hasn't.... If he does, things might get moving, but I don't see that happening..

SNIP
"I'm looking for something that President Trump supports. And he's not yet indicated what measure he's willing to sign," McConnell said at a Capitol Hill news conference. "As soon as we figure out what he is for, then I would be convinced that we were not just spinning our wheels going to this issue on the floor, but actually dealing with a bill that has a chance to become law and therefore solve the problem."
ENDSNIP

http://www.cnn.com/2018/01/17/politics/mitch-mcconnell-donald-trump-immigration-bill/index.html

Do your job, Mitchy.....Don't take orders from the Kremlin....

 

So in other words are you saying his words mean nothing.

 

It may not be ripped out of context....but it seems you are missing the part on what he was asked. So its a misrepresentation with anything dealing with politicians as Trump or a VP cannot fire them. Have you lefties of the leftness been able to figure that **** out? Does it filter all the way thru the grey dense matter?

No not him.....just those such as yourself that is misrepresenting his statement when it comes to this issue, and dealing with politicians.

Try using something that correlates to the reality at hand. Rather than some generic statement that doesn't have anything to do with what transpired.

 

That has already been proven beyond any possible disputation.

 

Looks like Trump did.....he got the Repubs and Demos to the table, didn't he?

Or were you looking to deny that reality!

 

Getting them to the table is only part of the process, if you claim you are a closer then you finish the deal.

This shutdown falls at his feet, those are his words not mine.

 

If you need that victory, technically yes, he got both parties to a table in front of a running camera.... and we got to see first hand just how confused he is.... Was an eye-opener for some... If not for McCarthy steering Trump back to "his position", we might be done now...

 

Try again.....the Wall is part of Border security. That's why the Demos were negotiating to give some money for the wall and other money for other parts of Border security.

Are you able to filter that thru? You do comprehend that a Border Wall is connected to other parts of Border security, Right?

That is not to difficult for you to figure out.....is it? Do you need a blackboard and pictures to help with comprehension?

 

You are aware that Congress legislates, not the President.....correct?

Well it looks like the Associated Press, the NY Times, CNN, and NBC are blaming the Democrats. So hows that reality working out?

 

Chucky Cheese Schumer even validated that he and the Demos are victims. You knew he would play the victim card. Which is why he is out talking about the Demos won't be bullied.

Send them my way and watch how fast they will be bullied and able to take up their victim mantle.

 

Yes he got them to the table....and then showed why its on Congress to legislate. Not the Executive.

Have you lefties of the leftness been able to figure that out. That Trump isn't a politician?

 

Sadly and rarely, I agree with this... See my post #336.... I put this shutdown 80% on McConnell for being a cowardly p*ssy and 20% on Trump for saying it's the Presidents job to avoid shutdowns....

We've all figured out (approx June 2016) that Trump isn't anything useful....

 

Are you aware of the president's statements?

Now these are his words, not mine.

So now you are quoting the fake news media, if they were saying it was the Presidents fault you would be calling them, "FAKE NEWS".

Its comical at best.

 

Naturally you put the blame on Trump and the Republicans.....you're a leftist.

But the reality is.....the Associated Press, NY Times, CNN, and NBC are the ones putting the blame on the Democrats.

Well, he was useful enough to put a Conservative on the SCOTUS and useful enough to get the Repubs to pass Tax Reform, oh and he was really useful in handing Crooked Hillary the loss of a lifetime.

 

Oh I don't mind using all those sources you lefties use. Usually the left comes in with the BMW about Right leaning sources being fake news.

Whats comical.....is you lefties don't like it when your own kind is used to assist in your comprehension of reality. Hence the BMW about those left leaning sources.