Reviewing Atheist 'Lack Belief' in Deities theory. <<MOD WARNING ISSUED>>

Yeah, we wandered off on a tangent.

 

Thats not really true. Virtually any version of government can work very well, in fact if you look closely at them virtually all of them in their ideals are very attractive and would support life and the needs of the people very well.

The problem is all these ideal isms get corrupted over time, and the ideals are flushed and the .1% resulting from the corruption never diminishes, only drives deeper underground. Religion incorporated into the constitution was to uphold peoples religions (including atheists) and prevent destruction as they are now by force of corporate commercialism, mob rule.

Thank you, that is exactly the problem, individuals are forced to form mobs (corporations) to do battle with other well established mobs, the brit form of gubmint has wiped out the individual and replaced it with corps in all their colonies, US included.

Mob mentality is why you are forced to get permission to use any drug in this more perfect commercial corporate 'union' and cannot get the drugs you need to 'cure' your cancer for instance, because the doctor is then liable to suit from our sovereign-king altruistic gubmint because he does not even have permission to give them to you under any condition in the land of the free operating under the lovely brit social model, welcome to the desert of the real.

http://www4.burzynskimovie.com/watch-burzynski/

There you have it.

 

Ok, look. When you get to the point of an argument where you have to refuse to answer simple simple questions honestly, and you have to twist super basic things to avoid contradicting your argument, then you are almost certainly wrong.

If you are going to claim that you gain no information about the world and that all ideas are equal, then you either have to prove it by eating wrought iron and draino, or admit that your logic is wrong.

If you are going to be anti-science, then you have to be against finding things out. You have to simply believe what people tell you and think that it is at least equal in validity to finding out. In that case you should never try to verify anything since verification doesn't add any information. Of course this leads to the problem of which of any two claims to believe. If you believe them all equally, then you should be fine with drinking poisoned fruit punch, and at the very least, any scientific claim should be at least equal to any biblical claim.

None of this stuff makes any sense, it requires willful logical contradictions.

 

Take note of what that means.

Science gains information and assigns no quality to it, it simply is what the numbers show has no other intrinsic meaning.

Are you kidding, I am pro science all the way, love it.

Ah theres the rub, one persons heaven is another persons poison, welcome to 'religion'

Just took it to a stage you didnt think of, no logical contradictions required.

 

Did you get a new word of the day calender? If so, you are using them incorrectly as is expected from you.

 

I don't think you even know what you mean by that. Or how it's supportable. I sure don't.

Explain how that's true.

Again... this is pure nonsense. You can't really support this without desperately wanting it to be true.

No, it has been nonstop logical contradictions. Now, I understand you desperately want there to be some case to be made for supernatural nonsense, and the only way to do that is to somehow make it seem like real life can be questioned to the same degree, but it can't. It requires fantasy and desperation. You haven't taken anything anywhere other than fantasy, and haven't even given any support for that position. Just statement of what you think (or want to think).

When someone asks you why you investigate something, and you have to weasel around the only possible answer (to find out the truth), then your logic is flawed.

 

You claim to be an agnostic, hence having no religion just a belief in an all powerful being. You just admitted that you are falsifying your previous posts.

 

Does your computer tell you what is better for you? no it just spits out data, science does the same, or at least if its not your religion thats all it does.

Because I said its true, if you dont believe it by all means exaplin why you think its false.

You have not shown it to be nonsense, and fyi its impossible to show it to be nonsense since one person may deathly allergic to one food to the extent it would kill them while another thrives on it. Thats why this country was intended to be free from laws that required every person fit one mold and given the choice of chemo or no help from the medical cabal at all. Doesnt matter if someone has a cure or something that you are convinced will cure, tough luck pal you cant get it. 'YOUR" religion checkmated and destroyed, corporate commercial religion forced upon you.

I am supposed to take you seriously when you cannot provide so much as one logical or syllogistic proof, seriously?

I told you I am agnostic. I do not agree with either side of the proposition, so it seems you are putting your own twist on it.

Way back 100 years ago in thins thread I posted an article regarding the psychology of lackerism, and countless pages of philosophy of lackerism, you should look them up since no one here has defeated it in counterargument. Be the first.

There are many reasons, you suggest the only motive is truth, and that is not the only motive, however I will throw you a bone in that there are many circumstances that is the case even though you have not yet and maybe wont state such a case.

yep totally agnostic. I admitted no such thing, which is why you cant quote it. Its all a figment of your imagination. (again)

 

Ok... here we go again.

Go to vegas, mortgage your houses, and cars max out your credit cards at the atm, and bet someone all of your money, give them 1:1 odds, that if a dealer shuffles a deck of cards and deals you a hand that it will be a royal flush.

Now, at the same time explain to them how they are being illogical for 'believing' that your hand won't be a royal flush. They will say, ok, but there is no reason to think that it will be a royal flush, and in fact there's only 4 possibilities out of 2.6 million, so you are actually being very illogical. Then, you explain to them that math can't tell you anything about reality, it is just numbers that spit back at you with no bearing on reality. And then you explain to them that they have an irrational belief since they can't prove that you won't get a royal flush. They will say yes, that's true, but unless the deck is very badly stacked, it is almost certain that you won't. "AHA!" you say. You 'lackers' lack belief, you lack belief that I will get a straight flush, and that is exactly the same statement as saying that I believe I will. They say "Uhh.. I think you just really want to believe that you will win this insanely irrational bet." You say "Aha, see I am agnostic, I believe they are the same, you can't prove that I won't get that royal flush, so you are making as much of a claim as I am. I am just saying that the odds are just as good that I get a royal flush as I don't." They will try to tell you that you are wrong, and while it can't be proven that you won't get a royal flush, it is insane you live your life as if you are just as likely to get one as not. You say no no! they are the same, you are agnostic, and math and science have no bearing on reality (and Einstein was wrong even though, somehow nuclear energy is a thing, and some how some way you are still a fan of science).

 

So I am curious, since you are comparing an obvious destructive way of life to relgions et al, how does living according to the dictates of lets say the 3 staple religions serve to destroy lives as your gambling disorder example would most likely demonstrate?

Sure the personal 'quality' determination is the human factor, religion.

Atheists do lots of things that are insane, like corrupt anything that runs contrary to their opinions with illogical notions like a person can lack belief, when in fact a person can only believe yes or believe no, or take no position, abstain.

When a person believes something there is no lack.

Lackers believe they are atheists, and it goes without saying that atheists deny the existence of G/god(s), regardless of what they 'claim' to lack, they have plenty of belief to go around.

 

Good G/god! Please tell me you at least sort of understand that my point has nothing to do with the vice of gambling. Only that if what you claim to believe were at all logical, you would be insane not to gamble every dime you own on video poker.

 

Sure atheists do insane things. It's just that religion adds one more layer to that insanity. Discrimination against homosexuality already far exceeds the utility of religion.

 

Atheists deny the existence of god in the same way any rational person would deny the odds of getting a royal flush. It's not impossible, it's just stupid to play the game in any way that at all expects it to happen.

 

Actually I quoted your exact statement which you seem intent on denying. You got caught in your falsehood and just refuse to admit it.

 

Some of your statements are just so full of S*** that it makes it hard to read. You have a real problem with truth and real, logical thinking.

 

You don't know very much about life.

 

I only understand what you state.
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I mean its pretty clear you think religion is ebil despite its like *******s everyone has one.

Without discrimination we would be the borg, discrimination is an atheist gubmint term used in commerce. You can join the guy with the biggest guns and force everyone to believe in your religion. Oh wait the gubmint already does that

So then you agree atheists have no proof G/god does not exist any more than theists have proof G/god does exist and are playing a hunch based on probability which of course is not proving a point on any level, hence the reason I am agnostic, neither side can prove anything in support of their presumption.

and we get more of your overboard imagination.

Nope, you quoted nothing.

Yeh dont you wish you could actually argue the point instead of standing on a soapbox stomping feet and blathering out rants.

 

this topic isnt about life its about lackerism and other delusional stuff.

 

Ok, look. I have run out of ways to make this any simpler, and I can't cram iq points into your head. These are extremely simple concepts, and I can't make them any simpler for you. When people desperately need to believe in something they will bulldoze over any logic or reality to maintain the fantasy (yeah yeah you're going to cry that you are agnostic, save it, you aren't). So, I don't know how much of this is a desperate need to believe, and how much of it is truly over your head, but that's all I can do. Go gamble your house away, dance around chicken bones, play with your pink unicorn, sacrifice virgins, and pray to your god. I can't bring this conversation in to the realm of logic if you won't meet anyone there.

 

Sounds like you are continuing to speak about yourself.

 

And started by the biggest delusionalist of all, you.

 

if you give me your mailing address I will be happy to send you a jar of butthurt ointment for free.

...and you are positive I am not agnostic because anyone who would think to disagree with an atheist is truly a heathen after all.

I dont gamble my house away, gambling is against my agnostic religion and your failure to bring this within the realm of logic and reason has nothing to do with me. If anything you need to kick it up a few notches.

 

Agnostics believe that they cannot know whether or not God exists. So it, too, is a belief. Tell me, do you believe 1+1=2? Do you believe 1+1=3? Do you have a "lack of belief" that 1+1=3, or do you in fact believe that 1+1≠3? All knowledge in your head is organized in this way, things you believe are true and things you believe are false, and if you want, things you can't say for certain. There's no "box" in your head labeled "lack" where you store beliefs.

 

We've reached the surreal, Koko, with etbauer claiming you are a theist and swensson claiming you are an atheist.

 

In that case you certainly do know a lot about delusion stuff. Unfortunately, you know nothing about "faith" or its absence.