Michele Bachmann Asks God If She Should Run For Senate

Let me educate you...MOST DEMOCRATS ARE CHRISTIANS.
When I have the Democrats dropped “the diversity facade”? More gibberish
I don’t think you should be using Stalin and Hitler as examples when in fact Trump is doing exactly what these people did. Hitler scapegoated Jews, trump scapegoats immigrants. Stalin called those who disagreed with him enemies of the people and Trump does that every day with his tweets or attacking the media.

 

I ha e never suggested banning any belief system at all. You only think I have because you're so emotionally invested in this issue that it's become purely black and white for you.

In your view, it seems, you either support totally free religion with no restrictions or you want to ban religion. That's a very ridiculous position to assume.

I support religious freedom to the point where someone else is "harmed" in the pursuit of practicing that religion. I have to be able to walk into any establishment open to the public and have access to the full range of their services without having to worry about whether or not they find me objectionable in some way based on their religion.

That's necessary for a free and open society and its also good for the economy. We can't have businesses excluding people based on religion. That's nothing short of a weird type of religious segregation and its pure discrimination.

Religion needs to be ejected from politics because having people assume power and pass laws based on their religion when this country has a bunch of people who don't share that religion is a recipe for disaster.

Religion needs to be kept out of public spaces because including it shows government partisanship for a particular that shouldn't exist.

Religion is perfectly fine to have for your homes, your places of worship, your private religious institutions. The moment you thrust your religion into the public arena where it can run into people who don't share it, religion must accede to their rights for fairness to be maintained.

 

I disagree with lumping atheism in with "statements of moral belief." There is no such belief inherent to atheism, the rejection of deities. It describes non-belief, not belief.

 

Translation - "Yes I'm a hypocrite"

 

Of course you want to ban other peoples belief systems, and impose your own on them.

You demand a Christian baker support a same sex wedding against her deeply held beliefs. The baker is not imposing her belief on the same sex couple, she believes it is a sin for her to participate in a same sex wedding but is not preventing them from getting married or having a cake or living as a same sex couple. All the baker wants to do is to not participate, she is not preventing the couple from doing what they want to do.

But you want the baker to violate her beliefs, and you want to force her to actively participate against her will.

And that's the key - who is being forced to act? Who is being forced to violate their beliefs?

 

Of course you want to ban a host of belief systems - you even state it above.

Every person who assumes political power works to enact their belief system on the nation. For example, "progressives" want to enact their agenda on the nation and block conservatives from enacting a conservative agenda.

Its all a belief system, communism, democracy, free markets, capitalism, Keynes, islam, Christianity. All are philosophies wrapped up in moral imperatives.

And you want to ban all those philosophies that you don't like - and it seems that any philosophy that has an aspect of God is what offends you and you want banned.

LOL, so its not about freedom or rights, its just that you don't want to see it. You want to impose your likes and dislikes on everyone. You want to enjoy your likes even if those offend other people, and you want to ban people who you don't want to come into contact with.

Does a black man with a blue headband offend you? Ban him! LOL, you are such a hypocrite.

 

Wrong.

Atheists believe in morality without a basis in God, a secular morality. Do some very basic reading, search something like "secular morality" or "atheism as a moral belief".

 

What if someone won’t serve someone who is an adulterer? What if someone believes in segregation and won’t serve blacks? I am a teacher and I have to teach all my students,...a baker bakes a cake, nothing more., a cake is an inanimate object. Why should a bigoted person be able to get tax breaks in his business if he breaks the law?

 

\Hey did god get back to her yet? I can't be bothered to check.

 

Yes, I did. I told her to clean the house

 

If someone refuses to serve an adulterer, or a Christian, or a muslim, or an atheist, or someone who is (legally) carrying a firearm, then fine. That's called private property rights.

Your mistake is in assuming that if people have freedom, then they will all use that freedom to discriminate against a single group. For example, you think that if a baker can refuse to participate in a same sex wedding then all bakers will refuse and no gay couple will be able to have a wedding cake. Since the facts have proven otherwise, you are clearly wrong.

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Consider this real world case. Many women don't like going to the gym because the men stare at them, so many women don't go to the gym and their health suffers. To meet this need for a women only gym, a woman opens a gym for women only, and its a success. If some men want to join, should they be allowed to join even if so many women quit that the gym goes out of business?

Under your thinking, the men must be allowed to join even if the gym goes out of business.

And you want to impose your own rule even though that rule negates the entire purpose for starting the gym. A woman invests her own money and time starting the gym, takes all the risks, and you want to step in and take over - you, a person who invested nothing and has no risk wants to tell someone who had the guts to put the time and effort into a private business. Sound fair? You think people will start a business under your rules?

Don't you read? I oppose tax breaks, tax exempt status, non-profit status, etc. Everybody should pay the same flat rate in taxes - no special breaks for political or charitable groups, no social engineering through the tax code, no special deductions or credits for anyone. Got it?

 

No I don’t assume every Baker is a bigot..but we do have the civil rights act ..shall we abolish it. Do you really think a woman’s gym where there are physical reasons is the same as telling a gay person or an Interracial couple that they are not worthy of being served? When people get a license, they know they can’t put their religion before the laws of our country . You’re encouraging a very ugly precedent
I don’t agree with you about a flat tax, though I would make out like a bandit

 

LOL, your argument has fallen apart. You went from claiming a private business which serves the public must serve all the public no exceptions, to parsing who can be and cannot be served based on physical traits. And you are in an even worse position because you now drop back to wanting to ban religion - as usual, with people who claim to want "equality" it always comes back to hating religion.

 

If you think women’s gyms are discriminatory...do something! Take action!

 

LOL, you clearly have no response and know your argument has fallen apart.

 

There are biological differences and men have no problem with it. You take something trivial and compare it to life limiting examples. Do you think not being able to go to a woman’s gym is the same as being denied admission to Harvard? Do you think it is the same as not being allowed to write op ed columns in newspapers? There are men’s gyms also...no complaints! But hey you support a president who goes into teenage girls locker rooms to see them naked

 

You obfuscate.

You demand a person who opens a business serve everyone who comes in the door - no exceptions. You claim that a business open to the public must serve all the public with no consideration to the impact on the business or the purposes of the owner - no exceptions.

You demand a Christian baker set aside her deeply held religious convictions and force her to participate in a same sex wedding. Why? Not because the baker prevented the same sex wedding or the gay couple from having a cake, but because you demand a business serve all people (and you also want to eliminate religion from the public view).

But when its a womens only gym, you change your tune. Many women refuse to go to a coed gym because the men stare at them, and so there are women only gyms. Would you demand they allow men in the gym, even when it causes all the women to quit? Even when it causes the women to suffer poorer health and the business goes bankrupt?

Seems you have a problem with your demands - seems you only want to drive out religious people.

 

A cake is a cake....period! A baker is discriminating against people. What if a baker doesn’t approve of interracial marriages? And it is silly to say she is participating in the wedding. Does the guy who rented a tux to the groom participating in the wedding?
Women’s gyms have different equipment and different classes because of their physical differences. But as I say if you find that is discriminatory then you should do something. It seems that men don’t want to go to women’s gyms and by the way there are male gyms
Religious discrimination is wrong. I would be very upset if someone would not serve me because I am not subservient to my husband. After all that is in the Bible. We have laws of the land and if a merchant can’t follow them, then she should find a different job
By the way I don’t want to drive religious people away. Back in the 60s was it OK for religious people not to serve blacks?

 

LOL, you are truly grasping at straws.

An aerobics room is an aerobics room for men and for women. Same class, same mats, same music, same instructor. Nautilus machines are the same for men and women. Free weights don't care who is lifting them.

You want to apply your personal beliefs to everyone else, you want to ban what you don't like. At least you just admit that you think religion is wrong and want to ban it. Its that simple.

 

Ok..you win..let’s block women from going to Harvard because guys can’t take a yoga class. So silly. It Would make sense if that’s what men wanted but they don’t
The reason for men’s clubs was to exclude women from business deals where many were made. The reason for women’s health clubs is to get away from male pervs.
I love the way you say I “admit I want to ban religion”...I guess you admit you want to ban the constitution

 

The entire issue is that you want to ban people from doing what you don't like, you want to restrict free speech and the freedom to believe as a person sees fit (the 1st Amendment), you want to abolish private property rights.

You want to abolish the Constitution. But you don't have any clue what the Constitution means, so you don't understand, and you can't make a decent argument.

 

""""The entire issue is that you want to ban people from doing what you don't like"""

Like those who want to ban abortion.

 

You found me out....I want religion to come before the constitution.i want the msm banned and no one should,have private property, especially beachfront.