Are Modern States Evolving Into A Permutation Of Nazism?

Right wing authoritarian fascism is like a virus. It's always there in the world just as a virus is always present in the world. Sometimes the conditions are "right" and it grows and grows until the disease becomes a pandemic.

It happened in the 1930s and it's happening now. Hopefully it gets stamped out before it does as much damage this time as it did then

 

You can sell that snake oil to anyone you like. Just look to the Middle East and show us bastions of good things. No thanks, we need to add more countries to the list of the banned.

 

Well, one thing about you is that you don't pull no punches!

Seriously, you are wrong about Muslims. Some of them are seriously righteous people.

 

Left wing fascists usually are in charge of socialist countries. In fact, the 3rd world shitholes it's a must. I really don't care if they are stamped out, but they ain't coming here!

 

Apparently, you're incapable of distinguishing nationalism from national socialism.

The modern European States arose precisely because of nationalism.

 

I wish you were correct about this, but I'm afraid it's a trap. I don't care about Hindus, Buddhists, or if they worship horned goats. Muslims are terrorists at heart, it's based in their religious roots. Even the passive ones won't condemn the radicals, they are a problem. I'm staunchly in favor of banning all terrorists and that would be Islam. Ban every last one of them, and avoid the shitholes that have become many European countries. It's not racist, they are mostly Middle Eastern Caucasians. Oddly the asian muslims have different attitudes. Middle Eastern countries AND their peoples are shitholes.

 

It means the United States reaches where it's always been going. Is there really a difference between this **** and manifest destiny? We tried to convince ourselves we were too good for this because we stopped lynching and separating, but that didn't even make it 70 years.

 

There is certainly collateral damage, but the Europeans are the ones needing to be demoralized by the elites.

 

All of the muslims I know are black americans. It's strange that the large southeast asian muslim population and the prevalence of black islam go so unnoticed in popular culture. It'd challenge a hell of a lot of notions that folks like you typically hold if they got a mention or two more when the subject comes up, although you picked the typical cognitive dissonance avoidance strategy of "one of the good ones", so that goes to show you that nothing is perfect.

 

wrong ism. Try fascism. The West since WWII has largely been governed along Fascist lines. Note Fascism is a system of government in which the appearance of property rights is maintain but your ability to interact with said property and those upon it is increasingly circumscribed by a wholly unaccountable bureaucracy.

 

That is the direction all democracy's go.

Professor Tyler continued with these eight steps of a democracy:

1. From bondage to spiritual faith;

2. From spiritual faith to great courage;

3. From courage to liberty;

4. From liberty to abundance;

5. From abundance to complacency;

6. From complacency to apathy;

7. From apathy to dependence;

8. From dependence to bondage.

Bondage could be either end of the political spectrum though.

 

Would you care to elaborate on the differences between nationalism and national socialism?

 

I honestly think you are an intelligent person. However, I find it rather amazing that you are so far off mark on this point. I really don't understand what has led you to such an erroneous conclusion. If you don't mind, could you please tell me what has led you to believe that EVERY MUSLIM is a terrorist at heart?

 

Very similar to the Manifest Destiny of, if I am not wrong, Teddy Roosevelt.

 

Why exactly do you think that it is only the Europeans that need to be demoralized by the elites? Furthermore, could you identify in general terms, the elites about whom you are speaking?

 

Well I'm not sure you have given a comprehensive definition of fascism. However I do think you are correct in your observation concerning government restrictions with respect to property rights in the US.

 

The Europeans are the ones with economic and political clout.

The elite are the global capitalists.

 

That's interesting. Could you please elaborate on how you see the nature of the bondage, about which you speak, on the right end of the political spectrum?

 

It is pretty much the same as in Europe and there isn't a hell of a lot else in common between Franco's Spain, Hitler's Germany and Mussolini's Italy.

 

Global capitalists are people WITH ENORMOUS ECONOMIC AND POLITICAL CLOUT. They are for the most part Europeans, of European descent, or have adapted culture that is strongly influenced by Europeans.

 

I would put forward the notion that a very strong sense of ethnic nationalism is a common strain in the societies that you mentioned.

 

I voted for Trump because he is a hyper nationalist. I don't believe all cultures are equal and it's time for us, here in the US, to start caring about Americans only. I also believe we need to start demanding assimilation to a traditional American culture.

I also think India needs to return to her Hindu roots and make sure the "Muslim first, Indian second" crowd, feminists, and other dangers are kept at bay.

 

Nope just Nationalism. Italy didn't prevent anyone who wanted from becoming an Italian, Spain not to near the same degree and Nazi Germany not at all. Probably has a lot to do with how Italians see themselves vs Spain and GErmany and the goals of the various leaders. Italian Fascist tended to get all hung up over on the colonial economic model which the Great Depression and the trade wars leading to it had already demonstrated was idiocy. Franco's Spain simply wasn't expansionistic at all and Hitler had it to mind to run the world if he could. Again other than how they treated the bourgeosie and others within the buisness community there isn't much commonality.

 

Ethnic nationalism was part of Hitler's ideology of fascism, but it has been part of every permutation of fascism beginning before Hitler. Fascism has several characteristics but it is one of the few forms a declining, degenerating capitalist economy can give rise to as the top, few, wealthiest capitalist become desperate in their fear of their consumers, -the people, -rising up to end the assault and misery as it advances to the point of intolerability. It's basically what Trump promised: a "law and order" society and based on many new oppressive laws.

 

Why? What dangers, threats, risks do you see that such a change would protect us against?