Activists Protest ‘Conversion Therapy’ Conference In San Diego

If the homosexuals are happy they wont want to be converted. "I don't want to pray the gay away, I want to pray the gay to stay." is their motto. As such , if there are no unhappy gays the conversion biz will have no customers.

But the homosexuals wil not tolerate anything that is not fully accepting and supporting to the homosexual lifestyle...the homosexuals demand acceptance, but they do not reciprocate. So the homosexuals must protest even the smallest opinion that is not supporting of their goal of full scale conversion of the world to their homosexual lifestyle.

I feel sorry for the kids raised in a homosexual family...

The Kids Are Not Alright: A Lesbian’s Daughter Speaks Out

http://thefederalist.com/2015/04/21/the-kids-are-not-alright-a-lesbians-daughter-speaks-out/

 

well said and your post is grounded in facts, not feelings.

 

are you kidding? It's about nothing but feelings he speaks about his feelings

 

I'm a raving atheist, socialist, and leftie .. and I don't believe that homosexuality is genetic. Does that interfere with the narrative?

 

What is 'learned', can be unlearned.

 

Great post, Poly. Agree 100%, on all points.

 

Yes, we used to beat things out of folks in the not so long ago past.

Gay is not learned nor is it a learned behavior, nor can it be treated by, "Bad puppy" and a smack on the snouty snout with a rolled up newspaper.

I learned on great thing early on as a child at age 8, not to blab most things to my parents and to keep my yap shut unless I wanted doses of Caster Oil or worse Quack cure alls..

 

No idea what castor oil has to do with this.

Learned means environmental, acquired. It doesn't mean conscious learning as in 'education'. I'm using the clinical meaning of learned here, not the lay meaning.

 

Can you show what are the factors that cause this "learned" behavior?

 

People have made that claim for decades but it's just that.

You cannot support it.

It is every bit as valid as believing demons have possessed you and made you gay.

 

No. The specifics would differ in each case. There may be common elements, but I personally can't tell you what those are.

 

I haven't attempted to 'support it', other than to say it's a fairly widespread belief (outside of the western world).

 

Homosexuals can’t be converted any more than heterosexuals can be converted to homosexuality.

This whole idea of choosing the gay lifestyle is nothing more than a shallow, malignant gambit to excuse God from creating people who have homosexuality as an inborn trait. That’s the real dilemma here. Christians can’t loathe gays if god created them gay. Christianity’s brilliant answer to the conundrum? They ‘chose’ to be gay. Hahaha as if anyone who isn’t gay would ever be compelled to choose to be gay. As if it were even possible to change what you are compelled to ****.

This is all pure nonsense. Just a bunch of homophobes looking for a justification in their religion to hate homosexuals.

 

I know you can't. Again it's no different than claiming gay people are possessed by demons it's every bit as credible.

who cares? Stupidity can be widespread.

 

And this is why I will constantly reject that concept that homosexuality is environmentally (vice genetically, or hormonally) caused. Actually I reject that there is any one cause per se'. In some it may be purely genetic. In others, hormone flood issues with the mother may be the cause. I won't rule out environmental in some cases. How many are due to Chimeraism? Genetic triggering due to environmental factors? And then we also have cases where a trauma can cause a change or convince the conscious mind of a change.

 

I'm going to disagree. Setting aside for the moment that there is no one "gay lifestyle", it is absolutely possible to choose to live in one of these stereotypical or common factor lifestyle. Lifestyle has nothing to do with attraction. I know a couple of absolutely straight guys who are fashion designers and flame like there is no tomorrow. The attraction is the innate part of a person, straight, gay or bi, or even a sexual (a lack of attraction in that case). How they live is irrelevant.

 

Show the specifics in a single case or the general specifics.

But there may not be. There may be demons possessing them or Pan may be controlling them with his flute.

Can you even tell me that they exist?

 

If there are no unhappy people no scam will exist, that doesn't make it any less of a scam.

Thats a lie. I'm a homosexual and I tolerate and even defend the rights of people to have opinions. I tolerate you calling my sexual orientation a lifestyle. I think its ignorant and bigoted but I tolerate it.

So clearly when you say "the homosexuals" you aren't referring to actual homosexual people because you didn't ask me and you most certainly aren't talking about me.

I feel sorry for a lot of kids. I feel sorry for boys that are pushed into competitive sports by their parents. I feel sorry for children that have Jehovah's witness parents. I feel sorry for kids that are homosexual and have disapproving parents.

What is your point?

 

Well you are not a Nurse, or a G.P.
(M.d.)
Psychiatrist, Psychologist, etc....
You are a Lay Person....

Because it fails to take into account a young boy that grows up with no environmental influences, no Gay People etc.... Strict religious upbringing, then realizes his best freind forever, is way more than just a freind.

 

how do you know I'm not a medical professional?

and why do you think environment is restricted to parents?

 

They almost certainly do exist, because the (anecdotal) evidence tells us there is an environmental factor. If 'effeminate' boys in western culture almost always end up considering the possibility that they might be gay, but in other cultures such boys rarely consider it, you can see clear environment input.

To explain the difference more fully, in many cultures an effeminate boy is not assumed to be potentially gay. The two are not linked in any way .. with effeminacy regarded as a physical state, and 'gayness' a psychological state.

 

But you utterly fail to quantify them in any way.

Manbearpig certianly exists in the same manner.

Anecdotes aren't evidence otherwise the lock ness monster and Bigfoot certianly exist.

Here is another claim of something you can't possibly know? How do you know most boys don't do this?

So?

Effeminate is not a physical state it is a discription of a set oh behaviors and mannerisms. In the west it is mostly speech patterns.

So are you suggesting that if a boy lisps that will make him question his sexuality?

 

You present Absolutly nothing to support your opinion outside of cherrypicked anecdotes. That's a profoundly poor way to support an opinion. A medical practitioner would know this.

If enviroment in the west made people homosexual why wouldn't there be more of them?

 

I'm saying that in western culture, effeminate boys are always suspected of being gay, or potentially gay. You know this to be true.

And it doesn't matter what you regard as the source of effeminacy, in other cultures it's seen as a physical thing. A lack of physical strength or fitness, if you will.

 

I am not attempting to scientifically 'prove' anything, I'm referring to observed social anthropology.

For the same reason that not all westerners are drinkers, despite an almost universal normalisation of drink. Move to a culture in which drinking isn't at all normalised, and you'll find far fewer drinkers.