A honest question I really want an answer from Repubs

I would hope that the PERSON responsible is caught and receives the death penalty. I put no blame on that gun. Do you real not see that even in your story the shooter is the one that committed the murder. And why would I turn to the second amendment? I would be more concerned with what some liberal judge considers cruel and unusual punishment.

 

It seems to me that the problem is that so many Americans believe that carrying about bang-bangs somehow protects 'freedom'. Is there any statistical evidence whatever for this belief? I can't see how the US is freer than any other country for this senseless notion.

 

I think you may be confusing my politeness with looking kindly on him. I imagine he is eager to shout FAKE NEWS when Trump tells him to and I was turning it back on his hypocrisy.
Ps I'm not a citizen of your democracy, I'm a subject of a much safer one despite the fact very few people own guns here.

 

And by all means lets avoid talking about their access to assault style weapons.

 

To understand that belief, one has to go back to the foundation of the country, and why gun possession was the second thing the Founding Fathers took up when drafting the Bill of Rights and the overall Constitution.

Freedom from potential Tyranny of Government is a big deal in the US, and probably explains why so many people around the Globe want to escape their own countries to come here.

 

Which US mass murdering terrorist should I say that to?

 

Accurate or not, the comparison is irrelevant since both are about the size of Connecticut, population wise. How about Chicago... illegal to own a gun there, too, right?

 

Yes, by all means, let's focus on the method they use, rather than the circumstances that had them think a gun would solve their problems. I guess it's better to just have a few people killed, rather than more.

Perhaps one day the left will want to discuss this issue honestly.

 

People come there to make money, not for 'freedom' When we were fighting the tories tor democracy in the 1820s and 30's we found it was a mug's game.

 

How did that work out for the people of Waco or the Bundys?
Suggesting that owning small arms will free you from government tyranny is willfully ignorant and a pointless diversion from the topic at hand.

 

Do you know of any method to stop the gun-runners from taking the means of killing into Chicago.? This is just point-scoring.

 

We place freedom and money on the same plain.

Freedom to make money, apparently something that doesn't exist at the same level in the countries they are trying to escape.

 

Now there was 20 seconds that shoulda been spent campaigning for Democrats so they can take over Congress and take away our guns. See, this is why your ilk never gets anything done.

 

The comparison is more irrelevant due to the socio-economic differences between the two countries. Much like comparing Chicago to any more prosperous city of similar size.
The problem with the meme is that it is deliberately misleading and false in all it's assertions.

 

Most people don't believe the Bill of Rights as pointless. However, the Founding Fathers did predict there would be people who thought that way, and made provisions to protect the country from them.

 

More a matter of respect for law, really. In our society we tend to believe in freedom for everyone, which profit prevents entirely.

 

Rational decisions rarely, if ever, arise from appeal to emotion.

One who lost their daughter in a shooting should be heard, and his obvious and justifiable bias taken into account, but should not be making decisions on gun legislation. This is why we have recusals. Judges who feel they cannot be objective in a given case recuse themselves.

The fact of the matter is, we are not a more dangerous society, overall. We are less dangerous. MUCH less dangerous. We are enjoying something like a 45% DECREASE in violent crime since the 90's.

What has INCREASED is these crazy people shooting up their schools. A solution to THAT problem is not a gun control issue. The Florida shooter idolized his predecessors. He was nuts. He told people, over and over, what he was going to do, and he did it. The people he told, relayed that information to the authorities... who did nothing.

This was not a gun control related tragedy, but authoritarian leftists will try to use it towards that end.

 

Better question for the little ballerina who's been running Chicago since his buddy Barack was elected. Should be pretty obvious by now that Democrats dont have a clue, much less a solution.

 

I'm neither, I claim the Reform Party. But I think all this gun talk misses the point entirely. There has been a change among our kids when it comes to school shootings or even when it comes to mass shootings in general. From 1764, the first school shooting through 1990 there were a total of 8 school shootings. From 1990 till this year there has been 15. That 8 in 226 years and 15 in less than 30. Here's the list.

List of school shootings


2018, 14 February - Marjory Stoneman Douglas High school shootings - (17 dead)

2017, November 14 - Rancho Tehama Reserve shootings - (6 dead)

2015, 1 October - Umpqua Community College shooting - (10 dead)

2014, October 24- Marysville Pilchuck High School shooting - (5 dead)

2013, June 7 - 2013 Santa Monica shooting - (6 dead)

2012, December 14- Sandy Hook Elementary School shootings - (28 deaths)

2012, 2 April - Oikos University shooting - (7 deaths)

2008, February 14 - Northern Illinois University shooting - (6 deaths)

2007, 6 April - Virginia Tech massacre - (33 deaths)

2006, October 2 - West Nickel Mines School shooting - (6 deaths)

2005, 21 March - Red Lake shootings - (10 deaths)

1999, 20 April - Columbine High School massacre - (15 deaths)

1998, May 21 - Thurston High School shooting - (4 deaths)

1998, March 24 - Mitchell Johnson and Andrew Golden - (5 deaths)

1991, 1 November - University of Iowa shooting - (6 deaths)

1976, 12 July - Fulerton, California - (7 deaths)

1970, 4 May - Kent State shootings (4 deaths)

1966, 12 November - Mesa, Arizona - (5 deaths)

1966, 1 August - University of Texas tower shooting - (17 deaths)

1940, May 6 - Pasadena - (5 deaths)

1893, December 13 - Charleston - (6 deaths)

1893, March 26 - Plain Dealing high school - (4 deaths)

1764, July 26 - Enoch Brown (10 deaths)

Mass shootings follow the same lines, Here they are by decade.

Mass shootings in America
By decade:[4]
1900′s:0
1910′s:2
1920′s:2
1930′s:9
1940′s:8
1950′s:1
1960′s:6
1970′s:13
1980′s:32
1990′s:42
2000′s:28
2010's still counting.

1970 seems to be the dividing line here and very well could be for school shootings also. Notice the huge rise 1970 on when gun control was the main means of trying to prevent these. Keep in mind the rise in the 1930's and 40's was during the Al Capone gangster era.

The change: Mass shootings were mostly familicides and felony shootings until 1970. Most knew the victim or victims or were killing for money, greed, power, revenge, but there was a reason behind most. Since 1970, you can combine mass shootings and school shootings in this category, most have been done in public places against innocent bystanders unknown to the shooter. In other words, no clear reason for them outside of killing for killings sake. Not for money, not for power or turf battles, not for revenge or if it was revenge for something, it wasn't taken against the person or persons whom the shooter had a grudge against.

I think we need to find out why the change. Why the shootings were done in the past for a reason, perhaps not viewed sane or were committed in a felony act by criminals and law breakers. Al Capone, John Dillinger, types, perhaps drug wars by drug lords.Today, that isn't the case. Especially in school shootings, these kids just go in to kill. I think we need to find out why. Banning AR-15's may help in the number of deaths, but it isn't a cure to the problem. The sickness still remains, the cause still remains. Doesn't anyone care about that?

I tend to look upon gun control as giving a patient an aspirin who has a deadly brain tumor to cure a fever caused by the brain tumor. The Aspirin cures the fevers, the deadly tumor and the cause of school shootings and other mass shootings still remains. The problem won't be solved, just papered over by gun control. Take away the AR-15 and perhaps the shooters take numerous different guns to accomplish their task. Perhaps they turn to bombs or arson or chemicals or some other means. The cause of the sickness remains. Do we want to treat the cause or just a symptom, do we want to find the cause?

Perhaps all we are looking for is an easy fix, one that I don't think will work, but it's easy. It makes a lot of people feel good, they did something with gun control. But the cause remains, the sickness remains, the brain tumor continues to grow and grow. My two cents.

 

Are you saying you think gun possession is illegal in Chicago?

 

Strawman. I did not say the bill of rights was pointless, I said the diversion from the subject at hand was pointless.
Are you here to debate honestly or not because so far all you are doing is misrepresenting my posts.

 

Pretending enhanced gun control isn't part of the discussion is as dishonest as it gets.

 

Speaking from experience he is here to twist your words and not answer your questions.

 

Yes, thats my understanding. Wanna spend another 20 seconds proving me right?

 

The solution, obviously, is to ban guns nationally.