Dr. Billy Graham correct that Love of G-d more wide than many Christians think.

Dr. Billy Graham was correct... the love of G-d is more wide
than many Christians tend to imagine.

If near death experience accounts are a valid meeting with G-d,
(and I believe that they are), then Dr. Billy Graham's critics who
are angry over his belief that somebody can be saved even before they
accept Jesus as their Savior, is an example of people misunderstanding their scriptures.


Howard Storm Ph. D:

Billy Graham Denies Jesus Is The ONLY WAY To The Father
1,244,965 views

 

So far.......
nobody here on political forum has voted for the being of light of NDE fame being Satan.......

I am truly impressed!

The being of light of NDE fame, G-d or Satan?


Is the being of light, G-d or Satan?

1. *
   He is HaShem/ the G-d of Abraham/ YHWH.
   2 vote(s)
   7.4%
2. *
   He is Messiah Yeshua - Jesus in his glorified form.
   2 vote(s)
   7.4%
3. 
   He is Satan appearing as an angel of light.
   0 vote(s)
   0.0%
4. *
   If there is a LIFE REVIEW... then it is G-d.
   3 vote(s)
   11.1%
5. 
   I really am not sure but I am researching this.
   1 vote(s)
   3.7%
6. 
   Who we meet depends on if we are sincerely religious?
   1 vote(s)
   3.7%
7. 
   Near death experiences are a halucination caused by brain chemical reactions.
   19 vote(s)
   70.4%
8. 
   Maybe it is connected to memories of lights in delivery room from birth.
   0 vote(s)
   0.0%
9. 
   The being of light is the most ancient version of yourself.
   2 vote(s)
   7.4%
10. 
    The being of light is the Elohim who formed Adam and Eve.
    0 vote(s)
    0.0%

Multiple votes are allowed.

.......

(In the poll I personally voted for number 1, 2 and 4.......
which you can see by the little asterix by those choices).

 

Heaven/hell is just to keep the sheep in line. Doesn't work that well. Heaven also helps people cope with the FACT that we are mortals and when you die that's it. What happens to a bug when you squish it? Anything else is wishful thinking. Humans are not special. We are a species like any other.

 

Or....... could it be that Rabbi Yeshua / Jesus has
a modern competitor.......... raised up by HaShem much as
King Jereboam was raised up to compete with King Solomon?

Rabbi Yeshua - Jesus warned his followers about some sort of
hell / Purgatory / Void afterlife realm............
more than any other speaker in the Christian Bible, (which includes the Jewish scriptures).

In our time period I am certain that it is no coincidence that Rabbi Alon Anava
had his near death experience on Passover.............

There are a number of major themes in the speeches of Rabbi Yeshua - Jesus that correspond well with the lectures of Rabbi Alon:


Life After Death - Rabbi Alon Anava's Near Death Experience - Young Israel of Beverly Hills, CA

 

I think that it is more than merely interesting that three time near death experiencer
Dr. P. M. H. Atwater reported viewing a phenomena on September 11, 2001 very similar to what
Howard Storm Ph. D. was shown was actually happening in the higher
invisible dimensions with the souls of the Jewish victims of the
holocaust of WWII.


What happened to the souls of those who died on September 11, 2001?

http://pmhatwater.hypermart.net/resources/PDFs/911.pdf

 

The near death experiencer of Pastor Bob Jones is powerful evidence that
there is indeed life after death but............
we Christians may be falling into the serious error of missing the number one
most important point made in the ministry and teachings of Messiah Yeshua - Jesus.


http://www.thequickenedword.com/rhema/BobJonesTestimonyAugust81975DeathExperience.htm

 

Jesus was pretty clear about it.

I think I'll take his word over some guy that had a near death experience.

 

You are absolutely Correct Spooky.......
yes.... Messiah Yeshua - Jesus was clear about it.........

Mat 22:37

¶
"Jesus replied, “‘You must love the LORD your God with all your heart, all your soul, and all your mind.’[fn]
This is the first and greatest commandment.
A second is equally important: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’[fn]"

and Yes... we should take the words of Messiah Yeshua - Jesus over the words of
Christian near death experiencer Bob Jones but...........
Bob Jones speaks with a simplicity and a clarity that professional Christians whose
income depends on their understanding of the Christian scriptures......
tend to make overly complex........
just as economists tend to use a whole new language and set of technical jargon that takes their
science above the average person........

and lawyers use their own set of technical jargon that is like a whole different dialect of English that
takes their science..... their professional terms and makes in inexplicable to the average person.......

..... .and biologists, doctors, highly trained nurses and pharmacists tend to also use terms far above the
understanding of the ordinary person............

... so what Bob Jones does is add a simplicity to the gospel.....
that has been lost since the first century...........

Bob Jones admits that he felt comfortable and at home......
only in the FIRST LEVEL OF HEAVEN.......
Bob called it the heaven for baby Christians like himself.........

If we can become like Bob and admit that we are like baby Christians.......
we can inspire people to want to emulate our simplicity........

John 16:25“I have spoken of these matters in figures of speech, but soon I will stop speaking figuratively and will tell you plainly all about the Father."

 

Please don't pervert the meaning of what Billy Graham says. Robert Schuller is a Univeralist plain and simple. He purports the idea that many roads lead to the straight and narrow. Billy Graham on the other hand is merely supporting the Truth in Romans 1;20. God has made Himself known to all. Whether or not they have heard the name of Jesus, they can be justified by faith as was Abraham or Moses as clarified in Hebrews. Because Christians are increasingly getting the Gospel out across the World, this is becoming less and less applicable. To who much is given, much is required. If you have heard the Gospel of Jesus Christ, it is the ONLY road to Salvation. Billy Grahm is right on!
Replacing near death experiences with what the Word tells us, only gives way to those who promote demonic impressions.

 

You could be correct..........
but IF.... (and yes this is a significantly large 'IF.." ).....
the being of light of near death experience fame who appears to many Christians and non-Christians
during a brush with death is Messiah Yeshua - Jesus fulfilling this promise:

John 16:25

"These things have I spoken unto you in proverbs: but the time cometh, when I shall no more speak unto you in proverbs, but I shall shew you plainly of the Father."

THEN..... at least some near death experience accounts could be the fulfillment of that plain speaking about the plans of G-d
that Messiah Yeshua - Jesus promised to give us in the 'latter days.'


Jeremiah 23:20

"The anger of the LORD shall not return, until he have executed, and till he have performed the thoughts of his heart: in the latter days ye shall consider it perfectly."

Luke 24:25

"Then he said unto them, O fools, and slow of heart to believe all that the prophets have spoken:"

I have to admit though that IF.... I am seriously in error........
and IF.... the being of light in many of these near death experience accounts is actually.......

Corinthians 11:14

"And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light."

... Satan appearing as an angel of light.......
then perhaps I DennisTate am one of the worst deceivers on earth........
due to my sounding somewhat convincing by quoting an off the scale brilliant... but perhaps deceptive... intellect????!


The being of light of NDE fame, G-d or Satan?
http://www.politicalforum.com/index.php?threads/the-being-of-light-of-nde-fame-g-d-or-satan.445248/

 

This is one major league awesome interview by Howard Storm Ph.D.:......

 

NDEs are rife with con artists and schizos. When I was into New Age as a teen, I was into NDEs and UFOs and all that crap. Such claims are very frequently garbage. All? Maybe not, but many, many are.

 

Yeah that's weird wishy-washy crap. Contradicts the Bible and even decades of his own teachings. Maybe it was dementia.

 

What do you think about this part of the former Atheist Howard Storm Ph. D. NDE?

It is the best simplification and explanation for many verses from Isaiah, Jeremiah, Ezekiel and the minor prophets that I have ever read.


https://www.near-death.com/experiences/notable/howard-storm.html#a04

 

Zero evidence that any of his claims happened.

 

Can people be saved without accepting Jesus as savior?

Saved from WHAT?

 

Basically.... .the negative area of The Void.

Or the negative, extreme guilt variation on the Life Review.



The Life Review During A Near-Death Experience


https://www.near-death.com/science/research/life-review.html
The Life Review and the Near-Death Experience

 

Actually... his NDE happened in 1985 and back in those days when I was 26........
I would never have guessed that we would make it to 2018 without having
a war that could have included the use of nuclear weapons.

https://www.near-death.com/experiences/notable/howard-storm.html#a04

 

…..uh....okay....then YES I can be saved without Jesus. I can also be saved from Sharks in my living room by Shaggy and Scooby.

 

It's quite obvious, actually. I was a teen then and didn't understand things but the media hype at that time was just sensationalism and the guy who made the Day After movie later admitted he hated Reagan and wanted to smear him, and that movie was a product of it.

Your not thinking that nuclear war wasn't going to happen doesn't validate that claim of theirs, nor does it by extension validate everything they're saying.

 

True.... but it does fit with it...... and is anecdotal evidence.

 

"I asked how God could let the Holocaust of World War II happen. We were transported to a railway station as a long train of freight cars was being unloaded of its human cargo. The guards were screaming and beating the people into submission."


If YOU were a German in WWII, what would YOU have done differently?

And why did no Country participate in The Evian Conference, where Adolph Hitler, gave all the Countries, which were in question for war, the opportunity to have the (J)ews in Germany be placed under their provisions and watches?

Could WWII have been thwarted if the German (J)ews/(J)ews in Germany were taken 'in'?


"I asked how God could let the Holocaust of World War II happen. We were transported to a railway station as a long train of freight cars was being unloaded of its human cargo. The guards were screaming and beating the people into submission."

 

Those are two exceptionally good questions Delade!

If..... the following images shown to a near death experiencer.......
eventually turn out to be replicable anecdotal evidence for the validity of Multiverse Theory......
then...... there may be a new time line spun off some time in the future....... that looks like it is
taking place in our past..... where the Evian Conference is successful and a massive Exodus of Jews from
Europe to the Holy Land takes place in such a way that the Holocaust is prevented and WWII largely
avoided.........


The Philosophical implications of Multiverse Theory?

 

The nonsense of pretending that NDE's have anything to do with god or an afterlife is over. Science eliminates anothe hoax:

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/peace-of-mind-near-death/

 

G-d.... is a word.... and is subject to definition.......
but the idea of Intelligence / intelligence..... originating first in fundamental or nearly fundamental energy...........
and then learning and in a sense......"evolving"....... and getting better and better at creation......
and even organizing Big Bang type events.......
is quite logical..........

if you don't understand that yet..... that is cool......
but thirty three percent of the responders to this poll... in my opinion.... are correct......

... the nearly obvious implications of:
1. The Law of Probability
2. String Theory
3 The Anthropic Principle
4. The Cyclic Model of the Universe / Multiverse
is...... that we humans are not the most intelligent or technologically advanced species of life in the universe / multiverse!

The evidence for an afterlife that is available so far... indicates that fundamental energy intelligence is .....SHARING LIFE.....
sharing creative ability..... and responsibility.... and power.......
but we humans........ misunderstand just about every piece of the puzzle that has been given to us so far?!

Where did Intelligence begin, in matter or fundamental energy?


The first Intelligence began in.....?

1. 
   Carbon based life less than 5 billion years ago, on earth.
   7 vote(s)
   46.7%
2. 
   Carbon based life in outer space.
   3 vote(s)
   20.0%
3. *
   Fundamental or nearly fundamental energy.
   5 vote(s)
   33.3%
4. 
   This is a new question that I am only now facing.
   0 vote(s)
   0.0%