‘You have to call it by name’: Merkel publicly admits ‘no-go areas’ in Germany

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  1. HonestJoe

    HonestJoe Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Assuming that’s an accurate report and translation, it just means that Merkel faces the same questions as anyone raising the idea of “no-go zones”; what exactly does that mean. Every time I’ve seen it mentioned, when you finally get specific examples (which is often an effort in itself), you can fairly easily find people who do go to those areas, in many cases live in them. That isn’t to say that there aren’t all sorts of social problems or that immigration isn’t a major factor in that but it does suggest that catchphrase style rhetoric isn’t a positive way to approach them.
     
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    Yup, I had drinks with a large group of HIGHLY PROGRESSIVES in Los Angeles last weekend with a girl I am dating, they live in the biggest bubble I have ever seen.

    They spoke 4 or 5 times about how they can't wait for Trump to be out of office so things can be back to "normal" and policies around the nation will go back to the left.

    I stayed quiet, just listening, the girl I am dating knows I am a Right leaning Moderate and Fiscal Conservative and asked me to state my opinion to the group.

    I asked all of them if they had followed global politics, let alone National politics on a level other than in the cities like LA, NY and SF?

    Not one of them answered yes.

    They were shocked and actually a large majority of them didn't believe me when I said exactly what you just posted. It was interesting to see them react, there is no fighting or arguing what is going on there, the ENTIRE WORLD is moving to the Right. It will be interesting if Trump wins again and the US continues to the Right, if the Left continues to do nothing but use Identity Politics I think he wil win again, but we will see.

    But they were alllll on their phones looking up the statistics I was telling them off the top of my head, not believing me. On our drive home, the girl I am dating said "Oh my god, that was the sexiest thing I have ever seen in my life".

    To me, I just enjoy debating people and hearing their views and opinions, to her, she saw me literally put all of her friends in their place that do nothing but listen to Left leaning news and parrot their opinions.

    Socially, she is quite Progressive. But she has a GREAT job and is becoming more and more fiscally conservative as she gets older (she is 27). In the few months we have been dating she has said she has really appreciated me bringing in the other side of the equation to her and readily amits that she knows she live in the LA bubble. I want to take her to travel and see the rest of the world and how Conservative it is.

    I think a lot of the partisan Progressives are in for a rude awakening in the next two decades
     
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    Interesting, I will have to do some more diggin.

    I gotta be honest that media report looked like BS to me, it could be just the fact that I ABSOLUTELY do not believe a thing the media says anymore.

    But there were like 8 people in that restaurant with him, I don't see how that is the new Nazi party....

    Got some googlin to do
     
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    There are no places in Europe that the police don't go. That's a myth the RW has created to try to prove their other myth that immigrants in Europe are violent and ruining the continent. Myth and propaganda is all it is.
     
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    Do you think the RT article is a lie?
     
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    You might or might not be right, so let's just put it like this . . . there are places in Europe to which the police would rather not go, and it's obsessive liberals like you who have brought it about. Furthermore, I won't be at all surprised, despite all the plod spin about it not being terror-related, if the explosion in Leicester doesn't turn out to have been an accident in a bomb-making workshop.
     
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    Only as much as being afraid of getting raped or murdered by locals is an excellent and sensible reason to avoid certain parts of the US.
     
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    No 'no go zones' but economic opportunity zones. Look at all the burnt cars in France giving new job opportunities for junk yard owners!
     
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    She does not say there are no-go zones in Germany. She doesn't say that.
     
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    Hmm, this is an interesting thought.

    So the US has always had the segregation and larger amount of black people compared to that of Europe and it is a big reason through history of where the inner city gang spots are. A lot of those places, while police do go there, if you took the comments from the RT article the OP posted you could makea pretty clear comparison.

    I know when I drive down Compton in my Jaguar I do not exactly feel safe ....

    Could the new multicultural addition of ME people in the EU create the same inner city gang problems that the US has? It will be interesting to see how the EU deals with this problem that until now has been thought of as a "US only problem"
     
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    Well she wouldn't, would she? DUH!
     
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    So what you are saying is that you didn't read the actual article? Come on man....

    Literally the VERY FIRST SENTENCE IN THE POST.

    “No-go areas” do exist in Germany, Angela Merkel admitted in an interview, adding that the arrival of “so many refugees” in the country “has raised multiple questions.”

    She then goes on further to say:

    "She then took aim at “no-go areas,” which gained notoriety all across Europe during the refugee influx that reached its peak in 2015. Merkel bluntly dismissed the claim that 'no-go areas' are non-existent in Germany, stressing instead that “there are such spaces, and you have to call that by name and you have to do something about it.”

    It frustrates me so much that people like you are so hyper partisan that you won't even read a persons argument to discuss it. You ignore what is said and then go back to your corner and put your fingers in your ears as you claim that it is not true ..... even though it is right there in writing.

    So, the article CLEARLY states that she said that, so I will give you another chance.

    Do you think the RT article is lying?
     
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    She pretty clearly does according to the article, the question is do you believe the article.

    I believe RT about as much as I believe CNN
     
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    There's far more being hushed up than we'd dare to believe.
     
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    Huh? According to the OP, she did say it. It's a pity for the OP that the original source shows that she did not say it.
     
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    Try reading the translated actual speech where it shows that she did not say it.
     
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    The whole speech is published in PressPortal.de, not RT where a translation shows that the OP is wrong
     
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    What is needed is a person fluent in both German and English to do the translation. By reading the Google translation, it appears to me that reasonable people can easily read opposite meanings on this point. What is happening is that we are depending on a software to replace a German word with an English word that doesn't change the original's contextual meaning.

    In the first bolded example, suppose that the word 'are' is replaced with the somewhat similar word 'be'. Then, decide which word better fits within the context of the second and third bolded examples.

    "...about her idea of "zero tolerance" in this context: "That means that, for example, there are no no-go areas, that there can be no rooms where no one dares to go, and there are such rooms and you have to call that by name and you have to do something about it. And I think that Thomas de Maizière did a very good job as Minister of the Interior, but now we also said that we want a model police law, we can not stand by the fact that different safety standards are in different states and this must be as unified as possible . "'
     
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    Maybe

    The police have guns but german citizens do not
     
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    Someone was unsure of the RT but there are numerous international sources confirming what she said. The OP appears to be correct.
     
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    Many americans cannot deal with our own internal colonies, so we point at those of others. This is how one gets to some fantastical notion exceptionalism.
     
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    You did not answer the question.
     
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    I didn't know you spoke German. My apologies.
     

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