Washington State bans gay conversion therapy on minors

They cannot possibly be worse than the 'ethics' of giving children puberty blockers.

 

there you go again trying to use common sense.

 

These 'allies' are only allies if you promise to stay gay or transgender. That's where the allegience comes from, not from your personhood.

 

and it is, once they are 18

 

Yet it's okay to give 9 year olds puberty blockers (in absence of long term studies and good solid established science on lifetime effects), to bring them into line with politically expedient 'medicine'.

Anyone who says the above is okay, but conversion therapy for a 17 year old is not, shows their true colours.

 

the 2 are in no way even remotely similar, let alone "very much the same thing".

 

Self programming is simply deciding to like something

 

They must be genetically programmed to like sprouts

 

you seem to be furiously trying to deflect from the topic, which is gay conversion therapy. My post, nor this thread, have anything to do with transgenderism, hormone blockers or any other red herrings you can think of.

 

Gender dysphoria is not the same thing as homosexuality or even transgender. And so many of them end up killing themselves because people treat them like horseshit. Several studies have shown that, if the kids are actually cared for, they are no more prone to depression or other issues like that than anyone else.

What on earth does religion have to do with it . . . is this seriously the first time you are hearing about "conversion therapy"?

 

Thank you for the additional superstitions, but we can talk about his for real any time you'd like.

 

A deflection isn't a defense.

 

You are making the mistake of thinking that just because gay conversion therapy has “therapy” in the title, that it is actually therapy.

Neither the American Medical Association nor the American Psychatric Association consider it therapy. To subject a child to such a program is paramount to using the child as a human lab rat by untrained and unlicensed quacks.

Get back to us when clinical trails are conducted by responsible researchers.

 

No, it isn't. And if that's all it took, no "therapy" would be required.

 

That is misleading. Claiming that they child cannot seek help is false. "conversion therapy" is quackery at best. Most kids already know how their parents feel about homosexuality and will never ask for help knowing that they will have to go through an ungayifying process.

That being said, allowing them to take dangerous drugs/hormones or have surgery is not the answer either.

I believe we should help them grow into happy, self-confident adults who can decide what it best for them.

 

Plenty of environmentally caused mental issues are not a choice.

People with personality disorders are that way before they turn 10.

 

which has nothing to do with homosexuality, or the topic of this thread.

 

Another way to describe any 'therapy' like this is child abuse.

 

I didn't say self programming required it

 

Please start naming these studies you refer to. In my opinion theses issues tie into larger problems with a lack of sense of self. People with such disorders BPD, PHD, already kill themselves at very high rates.

 

So I guess you can't prove your claim.

Well claims made without evidence can be dismissed without evidence

 

It's the personality ordered who cause all the trouble.

“It is no measure of health to be well adjusted to a profoundly sick society.” Jiddu Krishnamurti[/I]

 

Then you aren't straight you're what we call bisexual

 

Gay conversion therapy has nothing to do with sexual reassignment surgery. Being gay is not the same as being transgender.

Also, 'gay conversion therapy' is NOT ABOUT helping someone who is confused sexually. It is about forcing them to deny the idea they are gay. What do you think the word conversion means? Gay conversion therapy's goal is to turn people away from the idea of being gay, to convert them back to being hetero, not to 'help' them understand themselves or their sexuality. Not to help them at all but to force them to conform to the idea that heterosexuality is the only normal thing to be.

"There is virtually no reliable evidence that sexuality can be controlled or changed and medical bodies warn that conversion therapy practices are ineffective and potentially seriously harmful."

Medical authorities do not believe it is a good thing.

 

There's nothing wrong with that except for denying something that you don't want to deal with will only lead to further suffering in the future. I'm pretty sure every gay person at one time in their life wanted to be straight.

Wanting things that you can never have is different than deluding yourself into believing you can be straight if you're gay.

I would say brainwashing a gay child into thinking they can be straight does more damage to their psyche then letting them deal with being gay.