What would happen if we didn't have foreigners to pick crops? A look at Japan

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  1. Fenton Lum

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    And consumers would pay higher prices. We've all been part of this and participated all along, and so has the Wall Street/donor/"job creator" class who lobbied long and hard for them to be here.
     
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    Guess we shouldn't have turned food production over to corporate farming. Can't wait till they privatize water.
     
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    you're a genuine intellectual for sure!! If only you had told Locke Jefferson Madision they would not have needed to create America or democracy.
     
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    yes better to have tiny farms with prices then 20-40 times higher!!
     
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    No way, Monsanto has it all under control, they took care of those pesky citizen farmers.
     
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    good for Monsanto and GM. Without huge companies prices would be 100 times more expensive, without them we all be living in poverty. Big corporations are like big Gods
     
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    It wasn't Monsanto, it was government policies with the help of intellectual elites that got rid of those pesky citizen farmers.
     
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    capitalism got rid of citizen farmers and citizen auto makers so we could have hugely higher standards of living. Do you understand?
     
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    Your govt, your intellectual elites are nothing but errand boys and girls of the Walll Street/donor/"job creator" class. Monsanto has been able to make it declared illegal for farmers to harvest and replant seeds from the crops they raise from Monsanto seeds. We've already become dependent upon concentrated corporate wealth and power for our food supply, can'y wait until water is privatized.
     
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    Some of us got hugely higher standards of living.
     
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    Monsanto's influence is greatly over rated. Sure, they currently have a large share of the GMO seed market, but that will only remain so as long as farmers see an economic benefit to Monsanto products.

    Some farmers are already moving back to conventional seeds and many more grow a field or two of open pollinated crops that can be used for seed if necessary .

    It is the organic growers that have been hurt the most. Encouraged by left leaning environmental org.s, USDA created national standards and certification of organic production. This allowed large corporate entities to now dominate the market.
     
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    you mean all of us. 240 million cars in America. There would be almost none if they were not made in huge quantities by our God-like Republican capitalist corporations!
     
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    Are you seriously telling me you're in favour of ruthlessly exploiting foreign workers with slave wages in order that consumers can save a few pence/dimes on the produce they've spent many hours harvesting. Sounds like you'd have been a cheerleader for the African slave trade, back in the day.
     
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    Your argument summed up: "Before Jaysus there was no individuality. After Jaysus there was America". Stunning!
     
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    Oh no, not at all, but .... that is most certainly the position of the Wall Street/donor/"job creator" class upon on whose behest and lobbying the “illegals” have always been here. That's what I'm asserting here.
     
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    Wall Street makes its money from fruit pickers?? If you have evidence I will pay $10,000. Bet?
     
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    However you dress it up with the rhetoric, the fact remains - that you're advocating exploitation of the underclasses.
     
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    communism actually slowly killed 120 million from the underclasses.
     
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    As is widely acknowledged, wars are natures way of keeping down population numbers. An unfortunate fact, but true. To press home my point, do you acknowledge that populations must be controlled. or not agree?
     
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    I bet you the stock price in all those big Agro corporations will go down if you take away the cheap pickers.
     
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    Or, one could say the underclass is exploiting the upper class need for labor. This exploitation by the underclass raises their station.
     
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    An underclass, by definition, exhibits zero social mobility.
     
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    I fail to see your point. The underclass gaining employment moves them into the working class.
     
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    That the reasoning is circular. An underclass has no power, by definition. Those with power cannot be an underclass.
     
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    No comprendo!
     

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