I am going to make a prediction. Right wingers dont think they did anything wrong in Flint.

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  1. Guyzilla

    Guyzilla Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    NOT IN CHARGE OF FLINT, when they INSTALLED a DICTATOR. You guys need to go EXTINCT, as a party.
     
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    The city government is democrat nad has bern for decades
     
  3. Guyzilla

    Guyzilla Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    GET A CLUE. WHY are cities all LIBERAL?
     
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    So
    So now it's capitalism that is the criminal- those SOB's that fail to produce what you think you need at the price you think you want to pay, who are therefor exploiting you when you buy it.

    Let us know when you find some brilliant, ambitious person who is willing to risk everything and work day and night to create the products you like, and apologize to you for not providing it free. I tend to think that you too are a capitalist, in that you sell your services and expect to be paid for what you do, and will take as much as you can get for it. I suspect you are also a secret anti-capitalist at work, which means you will decide that the price you get still isn't enough, so it's fair to do as little as possible in return for your paycheck. Just getting even, ya know.

    YOU need to become that magnanimous alternative to the capitalist- prove that the world is obligated to provide adequately for all of us, and is failing it's responsibility.
    Let us know when you've figured out how that works.
     
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    HonestJoe Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I’d say that 99.9% of “right wingers” (however we’re defining the term this week) or Republicans can legitimate say they didn’t do anything wrong in Flint. :)

    Some individual politicians and officials in Flint clearly did various things wrong, though I’m not up on all the details to say whether anything was criminal or not. I don’t see why the party affiliation or political lean (real or perceived) should make the blindest bit of difference to the response though. After all, the implication of that is that you wouldn’t be taking the issue as seriously if the politicians involved had been on “your side”. Maybe if there weren’t as many people like your with their partisan political blinkers on all the time, this kind of thing wouldn’t happen as often in the first place.
     
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    Guyzilla Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    YES, CAPITALISM, is having a hard time renovating the rust belt, ETC,, which is why we have TRUMP.
     
  7. Guyzilla

    Guyzilla Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    So, me noticing the Republicans installing a dictator, is to blame, not only for this tragedy, but all tragedies?

    I don't go in for FAKE its ebodies fault, aint I wise SHTICK.,
     
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    spiritgide Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    May I refer you to your Funk & Wagnalls, to look up "dictator".
    A dictator is not someone you don't like or disagree with- a dictator is someone that has you thrown into the gulag of disagreeing.
     
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    Guyzilla Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    A DICTATOR DICTATES.
    dic·tate
    VERB
    dictates (third person present) · dictated (past tense) · dictated (past participle) · dictating (present participle)
    1. lay down authoritatively; prescribe.
      "the tsar's attempts to dictate policy" ·
      [more]
      "that doesn't give you the right to dictate to me"
      synonyms: give orders to · order about/around ·
      [more]
      boss (about/around) · impose one's will on · lord it over · bully · domineer · dominate · tyrannize · oppress · ride roughshod over · control · pressurize · browbeat · lay down the law · act the tin god · push around/about · bulldoze · walk all over · call the shots · throw one's weight about/around
    2. say or read aloud (words to be typed, written down, or recorded on tape).
      "I have four letters to dictate"
      synonyms: say aloud · utter · speak · read out · read aloud · recite
      antonyms: write
    NOUN
    (dictates)
    dictates (plural noun)
    1. an order or principle that must be obeyed.
      "the dictates of fashion"
      synonyms: order · command · decree · edict · rule · ruling ·
      [more]
    https://www.bing.com/search?q=dicta...s=n&sk=&cvid=48d627cc13904945d622a7d423d88f04
     
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    Guyzilla Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    • (in ancient Rome) a chief magistrate with absolute power, appointed in an emergency.
    PS, notice that an antonym to dictator, is LIBERAL.
     
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    You are totally clueless, Yes that state is responsible, because the state and the federal government stated the water was safe, and the state did not act on the complaints of residents for 6 months.

    The state screwed up because they only checked the water exiting the plant not at the users faucets.

    The city of Flint was under state receivership and had a financial manager appointed.

    The former mayor (D) is the one that proposed and executed the city of Flints move from Detroit water to their own.

    The city of Flint opened , hired people and fired up their mothballed water treatment plant from the '80's to supply water to Flint residents.

    The water treatment engineers that the city hired are the ones didn't treat the water properly to stop the water from corroding the pipe allowing lead into the water.

    If Flint had stayed on Detroit water this would of never happened, and by the way guess who had a financial interest on the resurrection of the old Flint water plant former mayor Dayne Walling

    If the engineers hired by the city to run their refurbished water treatment plant had properly treated the water to industry standards this would not have happened.

    The state has replaced all the water lines throughout the city of Flint on and added the required equipment to properly treat the water at the state tax payers expense, since the cite can't pay ****.

    The state in now replacing the service lines to homes on private property at no charge to the homeowners, all Michigan tax payers are paying for this also.

    I'm on my own well, there has been talk about running city water down our road. My share of that cost will be $18K or $300 a foot of road frontage. Then $5500-6000 to get it from the road to the house.

    Flint has gotten the state to pay for all this, because they can't pay for ****.

    http://www.eastvillagemagazine.org/...er-crisis-victim-villain-or-faithful-servant/
    https://thinkprogress.org/former-flint-mayor-comes-clean-about-the-water-crisis-b8b2e3d72d4e/
     
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    K... whats that mean?
     
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  13. Guyzilla

    Guyzilla Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Good, so I can put you in the win column.
     
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    Absolutely you can put me in your win column, The City of Flint politicians (all democrats) can do nothing but cry on the evening news. They certainly cannot provide for their cities residents without state money for anything.

    https://www.cnn.com/2016/03/04/us/flint-water-crisis-fast-facts/index.html

    The city of Lansing can replace their own water lines, but Flint ?? what can one say.
     
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    Guyzilla Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    So, abandon all rust belt, and forget about renovating anywhere? BUT, cities suck, and RURAL RULES?
     
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    HonestJoe Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Not you, people like you. The only reason Republican voters would elect the “dictator” would be because they’ll vote for anyone on the Republican ticket. Exactly the same thing can (and certainly does) happen with bad Democrat leaders too though. Your focus on the fact this was a Republican rather than the fact it was a bad leader is exactly the kind of thing that causes these problems in the first place.

    And if everything else had been the same other than it being a Democrat administration who messed up instead, you wouldn’t have made anything like as much noise about it and I’d be having the same argument with one of blinkered Republican supporters instead. :)
     
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    There are so many cities and homes in this nation that it's not even practical to think lead could ever be eliminated from are water sources! Even after there was a concern and copper was used there was still all that lead solder releasing lead in to water at the site of the home.

    Fact is we were still using lead paints up till the 70's on auto, home, commercial and even Child toys and much of that still exists today under safer paints and older cars, same with asbestos.. So MPO no one is to blame, and it's hardly going away anytime soon!
     
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    They aren’t. Just the chitty ones are.
     
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    I've never called it the rust belt, and those are your words referring to abandoning cities not mine, and yes I moved my young family to a rural setting 25 years ago and I believed they thrived more so because of it.

    This is not a renovation, it is a crisis caused because the city politicians left Detroit water, opened the old water treatment plant under their authority and messed that it up, thereby forcing all water lines to be replaced to make everybody happy

    The state is responsible because they certified that water was good.

    You do know that Flint is back on Detroit water right?
     
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    Do we live in the same world?

    Here's a CNN report dated January 16, 2016:
    (CNN)Flint, Michigan, lies about 70 miles from the shores of the largest group of fresh water bodies in the world: the Great Lakes. Yet its residents can't get clean water from their taps.
    Nearly two years ago, the state decided to save money by switching Flint's water supply from Lake Huron (which they were paying the city of Detroit for), to the Flint River, a notorious tributary that runs through town known to locals for its filth...
    The switch was made during a financial state of emergency for the ever-struggling industrial town. It was supposed to be temporary while a new state-run supply line to Lake Huron was ready for connection. The project was estimated to take about two years.

    How did the city government of Flint allow themselves to end up in such a costly mess that they had to be bailed out by the state?
    Why did the city government ignore the concerns of itsa citizens?
    Flint, Michigan is 57% black, so where was Obama and his racial rights brigade?
    Where was the EPA in all of this?
    What about all of the crony capitalism and graft surrounding this fiasco?

    Quit reading the fake news and do some research - you might start to figure out that they like you just the way you are - marching lockstep to their agenda, instead of thinking for yourself
     
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    In this case however the dictator was the EPA. The water problem in Flint has een an issue for decades during which the Democrats had lenty of time to fix it but didn't care to bother. But this is tyical of the left find a crisis that's been building for twenty eyars and blame a Republican for not fixing it in two weeks.
     
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    Where did you get the State made Flint change water sources?, because that is false.

    Flint city officials proposed the change the State financial manager had to approve the change only because the city was spending money supplied by the state to open the mothballed treatment plant since Flint was under state receivership.

    The EPA certified the water clean also but they only checked the water exiting the plant, just like the state did.

    https://www.freep.com/story/news/lo...crisis/2016/01/30/flint-river-water/79396268/


    "(CNN) — Here is a look at the water crisis in Flint, Michigan, where cost-cutting measures led to tainted drinking water that contained lead and other toxins.

    Facts:
    Flint once thrived as the home of the nation's largest General Motors plant. The city's economic decline began during the 1980s, when GM downsized.

    In 2011, the state of Michigan took over Flint's finances after an audit projected a $25 million deficit.

    "In order to reduce the water fund shortfall, the city announced that a new pipeline would be built to deliver water from Lake Huron to Flint. In 2014, while it was under construction, the city turned to the Flint River as a water source. Soon after the switch, residents said the water started to look, smell and taste funny."

    https://www.cnn.com/2016/03/04/us/flint-water-crisis-fast-facts/index.html
     
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    the commies blamed Detroit's bankruptcy on Republicans, too.

    if they couldn't lie and project blame, they'd be mute.
     
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    Guyzilla Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    YEs, all problems that STILL exist, are all DEMOCRATS fault, as they had plenty of opportunity last time they were in power.
     
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    Guyzilla Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Im batting a billion. The right wing will NEVER take ANY responsibility, EVEN when their leaders DO SO. The Governor took SOLE responcsibility, but somehow it must be Obama's fault.
     

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