$84,000 Hepatitis C Drug For $1500 by Buying It From India

People exist in the real world, and yes people value things. But value is not a thing that exists in the real world. Physicists can't demonstrate the existence of value.

 

Without the ability to measure value physics does not exist. Mass, velocity, energy, direction are all basic qualities of value that physicists most definitely believe they can prove exist. Value is simply a position in a heirarchy, and that position most definitely can be proven to exist.

 

If, as you say, value exists in the physical world, can you provide any details as to its physical characteristics, such as its chemical composition or atomic weight?

 

People get confused by the relative nature of value, and come to the conclusion that because it's relative it's subjective, and because it's subjective it is not real. But that's absolutely not the case and your physics example proves it.

If I throw a ball at you we don't measure the ball's speed due to the rotation of the Earth, the acceleration of the moon, or the sun, or the velocity imparted by the expansion of the universe. We measure it in relation to the person who threw it, or the place it was thrown at. The velocity itself is quite real, even though we are limited to a subjective tool to measure it.

 

Is this discussion real? Does it have a chemical composition or atomic mass?

Is velocity real? Does it have a chemical composition or atomic mass?

Real things don't have to be composed of matter

 

No, this discussion is not real in the sense that it is a physical thing that exists in the physical world.

No, velocity does not physically exists in the physical world. Velocity is the term we use to describe the movement of physical things in the physical world.

I don't know of anything that exists in the physical world that isn't composed of matter.

 

You're going to have a hard time finding physicists that will agree with you that time and space do not exist.

 

As I said, I don't know of any physical thing in the physical world that isn't composed of matter.

Space isn't a physical thing in the physical world. In fact, it the the complete absence of a physical thing.

Also, time isn't a physical thing in the physical world.

Also, value is not a physical thing in the physical world. To say, "he stole my value" is nonsensical.

 

So... You believe the distance between you and i doesn't exist?

 

Use value is the ability of an object to be used. You just spent an entire paragraph arguing with a complete misunderstanding of what I was saying.

i'm going to leave this one be as you just kind of pulled it out of your ass and offered no reasons why this is something that would happen

1) what's your ******n point already?
2) you clearly have a vulgar and underdeveloped understanding of evolution bc it's pretty well documented that cooperation is also an effective strategy that often gets results[/QUOTE]

 

Correct. The distance between you and me is not a physical thing. It is a measurement.

 

So... You believe you can objectvely measure things that don't exist...

 

Sorry but you guys want big government. Enjoy it.

 

Wrong again. The distance between you and me is simply a measurement. It doesn't exist as a physical thing in the physical world. You and I exist, and it is possible to observe how far away we are from each other. We call that the distance between us. It's a name for an observation about you and me.

Value is the name we use for how much a person wants something, but value isn't a physical thing in the physical world.

 

No, not wrong. Distance is a physical attribute of the dimensional universe we inhabit. You exist, in part, because you have length, width, and depth. If they are not real, you are not real.

Something that is real need only be something that is observed. Distance is something that is observed. Value is something that is observed. It is real.

 

I disagree that value is a physical thing that exists in the physical world, but if you insist it is, can you please put some in a jar and send it to me?

 

I could never afford it and I have been a gainfully employed member of the middle class for decades now. That price tag is basically college education for one or two kids. Apparently only the rich deserve to be treated for this life threatening illness.

But thats not really the point is it? Its about it being almost a hundred grand here and dirt cheap in India. People here will die because they can't afford this, while the company selling it is willing to practically give it away in another country.

I get their argument: the second pill costs fifty cents to make, the first cost ten billion dollars. But that sound economic argument is not going to be valid when trying to explain all the dead poor people who couldn't afford it just because they didn't have the fortune to be rich enough.

 

The argument is that you can pay 84k, and Indians can't or won't. You can and you will.

Sounds like a trip to India would be cheaper, to be honest.

 

Why do you think something needs to be made of matter to be real? Is energy real? Can you put a wave at the ocean in a jar and save it for later? Are waves not real?

 

How would one go about stealing someone else’s value?

 

Theft is contingent on two variables; property and permission. Property is not limited to physical objects. Intellectual property, for example, can be stolen. Value can also be destroyed. For example, I can fraudulently shred your reputation in your business and affect your ability to create new value.

The communists aren't wrong that labor has value and that the value of labor can be stolen. What they are wrong about is that the value heirarchies that govern exchanges of value are contrived and therefore can be reengineered to make all value equal. As I said before, value is intrinsic to the thing being valued, however subjective our attempts to calculate it may be. What you have to realize is that value is a complex multivariate measurement of very real properties. The desire that drives value is not imagined. It's a very real function of our existence. It's required for it.

Since it's real, and exists outside of the humanh mind, you can't just wave a wand and proclaim that an hour of digging ditches is equal in value to an hour of swedish massage, or an hour of designing the new iPhone. Hell, you can't even proclaim that an hour of person A digging ditches has the same value as an hour of person B digging ditches.

 

OP...it is capitalism.

 

How many thousands of percent is it if India can sell it for only $1000. It's no wonder people like you are in debt to your eyeballs, because 84K is not "expensive."

 

That have zero to do with the market since very few but the elites, can afford the 84K. Aren't you forgetting the fool Shkreli that went to jail for the atrocious pricing of Daraprim?

 

Most of people can't and they won't. Would it surprise you that people have been starting to travel to India to get surgery, because the cost here would bankrupt them.