IRAN BLITZED Israel hits Iran’s Syria bases with 70 missiles killing ‘at least 23 fighters’ and vowi

And this is why Hizbollah leader said 'had he known 5% of the damage israel inflicted, he wouldnt have started it all'.
ROTFL

 

OK, clearly you are unaware that IRAN SIGNED NOTHING. Give me a moment and I'll support this:

In 2015 the Obama Administration Said the Iran Deal Wasn’t Even a ‘Signed Document’



the Obama administration not only acknowledged that the deal wasn’t a treaty (obvious enough), but it also admitted that it wasn’t “an executive agreement” or even a “signed document.” Here are the key paragraphs:

The Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action (JCPOA) is not a treaty or an executive agreement, and is not a signed document. The JCPOA reflects political commitments between Iran, the P5+1 (the United States, the United Kingdom, France, Germany, Russia, China), and the European Union. As you know, the United States has a long-standing practice of addressing sensitive problems in negotiations that culminate in political commitments.

The success of the JCPOA will depend not on whether it is legally binding or signed, but rather on the extensive verification measures we have put in place, as well as Iran’s understanding that we have the capacity to re-impose — and ramp up — our sanctions if Iran does not meet its commitments.
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You can read the entire letter here.

But, not a good joke.

President Obama didn’t require Iranian leaders to sign the nuclear deal. There was nothing truly binding about this deal. From its inception it existed only so long it was politically or strategically expedient for the relevant parties. The only thing truly concrete that came out of the JCPOA was the substantial financial benefit to the world’s most dangerous jihadist state.

One of the justifications for the deal was the entirely faith-based belief that it could represent a turning point in American-Iranian relations, one that would ultimately lead to Iran “fully rejoining the community of nations.” That didn’t happen. Instead, Iran doubled down on jihad and doubled-down on its efforts to directly threaten Israel from bases in Syria.

 

Ignorant racism? It's a fact the Jews ethnic cleansed 92% of the Arabs in Israel, and now are going across their border to enlarge their apartheid state. That's racism for ya.

 

Over a 100 IDF got killed, 6000 Israeli homes got hit, 300.000 Israeli's fled, a kewl million living in bomb shelters, Israeli business lost 1.5 billion bucks, and the taxpayer got drained over 5 billion to fund it, and it will take 50 years for the forests to grow back.

And that's just little Hezbollah. Do you think Iran is a bit stronger than Hezbollah?

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joint_Comprehensive_Plan_of_Action
Formal negotiations toward the Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action on Iran's nuclear program began with the adoption of the Joint Plan of Action, an interim agreement signed between Iran and the P5+1 countries in November 2013.

After several rounds of negotiations, on 24 November 2013, the Joint Plan of Action, an interim agreement on the Iranian nuclear program, was signed between Iran and the P5+1 countries in Geneva, Switzerland.

Indeed. In this case.. the US breached it. Because congress got bypassed and Trump just felt like it due it, or got bribed by the lobby... take your pick.

 

You missed this part:

April 2015 agreed on an Iran nuclear deal framework for the final agreement.

Give me a link to a copy of that signed by Iran.

State Department: Iran Deal Is Not ‘Legally Binding’ and Iran Didn’t Sign It



Iranian President Hassan Rouhani discouraged his nation’s parliament from voting on the nuclear deal in order to avoid placing legal burdens on the regime. “If the Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action is sent to [and passed by] parliament, it will create an obligation for the government. It will mean the president, who has not signed it so far, will have to sign it,” Rouhani said in August. “Why should we place an unnecessary legal restriction on the Iranian people?”

 

You wrote "Iran signed NOTHING."
And I sourced they did,.. so did everybody else.
the end.

 

Remind me how much of a success Hezbollah had trying to ethnic cleans Golan Heights out if Israelis...

 

You keep telling yourself that

 

The discussion was the JCPOA. Iran never signed it.

You posted that an interim agreement was signed, SILLY!

 

If Israel thought for a moment that their survival was at stake from those Islamo-Fascists, they would reduce Iran to ashes. It doesn't make any difference how much stronger Iran is than that terrorist group....when it becomes serious, Iran won't have a prayer!

 

They have a border?

 

Well hey, there are plenty of jihadist groups in Syria who would love to see Assad gone?? If you weren't so blinkered you'd realise that for yourself.

 

Whatever he has missed, there has been talk this side of the water that what Trump has done is illegal and it basically leaves the US with no authority and subject to consequences for its violations of its agreement. Any sanctions Trump would like to put on his European ex allies or anyone else for honouring a legal contract would not be legal they say. The Hill has an article in which it describes the legal situation in respect of the US.

http://thehill.com/opinion/national...-the-legal-right-to-violate-iran-nuclear-deal

While for the time being the US still has power in the world, on the level of moral authority it has none.

 

Thank you for the one the ground update, may you stay safe.

THIS IS CNN: Chris Cuomo, who may be the dumbest of all the Cuomos, Asks if America Should Be Blamed for Iranian Aggression Toward Israel.

 

Too true. Israeli always responds to anything massively disproportionately going against the laws of war.

 

Obama didn't submit it to Congress for approval or to the US Senate for Ratification, so, this unsigned agreement only has force if the next President considers it to be in our national interests and of course, he does not.

One man with a pen and a phone cannot forever bind the United States of America. This is known.

Iran never signed it and they never submitted to parliament for passage, but they were willing to take the cash!

 

The Golan Heights is occupied territory which belongs to Syria. Israel has gradually been taking over more and more of it forcing farmers off their land. One very strange thing about America and many of her posters is that they have no problem with Israel attacking other people, they just believe as one poster in fact said on this thread that any who Israel attack should not fight back.

Israel has been taking more land from the Golan Heights while this war has been going on. That is Israel has been in the wrong taking others land. Israel and her fans once again see it as wrong that Syria and her allies would try and stop this and that is what this is about. It is perfectly legal to protect your borders as Syria has been doing. Even the Guardian in this article claims wrongly that

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...trikes-in-syria-whats-new-is-russias-response

As far as it even being a build up of Iranian-backed Hezbollah forces and armaments this too has to be questionable as while Israel was trying to start war the other night it was reported several times that there were no Shia forces in the area and that it was Syrian forces who were returning Israel fire from the Golans.


Israel's concerns with the Golans are not about security. They were first of all about water and more recently oil too.
Israel's recent concerns have been about the US moving out of Syria and concerns about Russia not allowing her a free hand to take more Syrian land.

 

The Hill describes your position. I am not interested in you restating what you said before. The US legally is the country in the wrong. Legally, people over here are saying, you would have no right to try any sanctions on anyone as it is you who are in the wrong. I would suggest you go back and read what you are claiming you are replying too for further information concerning the US's legal position. It has nothing to do with US Senate or Congress. Now do some reading.

 

No. We're quite in the right. The regime came to the bargaining table knowing Obama could be rolled, but it was driven to the table by a global economic-sanctions framework, principally constructed by the U.S. Congress. The sanctions choked the pariah regime, providing the great mass of Iranian dissenters with hope that their tormentors could be overthrown — hope that Obama had dashed in 2009, when he turned a deaf ear as the regime brutalized protesters.

It's perfectly excusable for you to not understand our system of government. I'll try to explain it in a nutshell. The first key to understanding our system is that WE The People are the sovereigns, not those that hold National Office. They work for us, with their duties carefully spelled out in our Constitution.

Article 1 describes the Congress and Congress controls our trade policy:

Congress shall have power "To regulate Commerce with foreign Nations..."
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Our sanctions are trade policy and under the authority of Congress. Senator Cotton wrote the Mullah's an open letter informing them of this when it became clear that the Obama was attempting to regulate our trade policy without the agreement of Congress. Obama was not authorized by the US Constitution to bind us in trade policy. That is authorized to Congress.

Obama's second choice, which he also failed in if he wished this to be binding beyond his term of office, would be to submit it to the US Senate for ratification on the vote of two thirds of the US Senate. He of course, failed this as well, possibly because he didn't even have a signed agreement with Iran.

Oh, and nothing to do with the US Constitution, I suppose, perhaps it has to do with the divine right of some group? Pray do tell, who would that be?

 

Boldened as an example. You are again bluffing and not taking things in context. The US has acted illegally as described in the Hill article which you are ignoring repeatedly. It is yet to be seen how the world responds.

 

You claim someone other than the US Congress has Constitutional Authority over US Trade Policy, but you get quite bashful when I ask WHO other than Congress has this power over US Trade.

Ow well, when you get over your shyness, post a response. Until then, be well!

 

I am stating that I hear it being described in Europe as the US being the villain of the piece going against their international obligations. The Hill piece describes how even with US law this is so. You are too late to change US law to make it legal. That is where you should be having your arguments. However you look at it, the US are the ones who have gone against International Law and your Constitution. I am not going to come back again and again repeating myself. Some Americans are the only people who believe the US has acted legally. Other Americans along with the rest of the world accept it has not. The only thing at the moment the US is brandishing to get its way is power - either by bribery or threat. The US has lost all moral authority in the world. Let's hope those in the US who wish for a country which the world will accept/respect and help when it loses its power manage to change this sickening situation.

 

And that lead to the deal being ACTIVATED. Says so in my source.
All those signatures were not put there for the lols. But I guess somebody has to troll.
/facedesk

 

They can't. Iran is too big, too far away, while Iran can with conventional weapons destroy tiny Israel.
It only takes blasting Jerusalem, Haifa and Tel Aviv.