Why not mandate trigger locks and locked gun cases?

ALL illegal guns start as legal ones. Heavily armed countries routinely disarm nearly entirely when they stop fighting wars. Drugs and Alcohol get you high, do guns? Apples to Oranges. Our freedom and Constitution are our most prized possessions. Our continued right to own guns in light of all the people they have killed is a badge of shame and indicator of insanity.

Agan and again, you can't shoot people with guns that aren't there.

 

So we have to accept the occasional random and senseless slaughter of our children at school? No, I'm sorry, the world may indeed not be perfect but we do NOT have to accept that.

 

Again and again, You cannot have a free society without freedoms.
AGAIN AND AGAIN, freedoms are NOT FREE! Tomorrow I could be killed at a public place. I have no fear. If you want to blame a freedom, it is the first amendment that is killing our kids with their 24/7 x months of coverage, and they create paranoid fears for the safety of others. They create heros out of these killers, like they did Jessy James etc. The more it is on TV and the internet, the more often it is happening. The guns were available when I was 14, I owned a clip fed 30-30. Why didn't we kill when we were young???? We had the means, but not the want.

AGAIN AND AGAIN, What has changed. What is different. THAT is the problem we need to solve, because the guns like being used have been around for 100 years, yet until recently, it has not been a problem, and still really a media way to make money off of news, even if their news creates the new killing.

And the laws have not stopped the drugs, and it will not stop the guns. You are looking at life through a fantasy viewer.

 

Senseless, massacres like we are seeing today started in 1963 with the Texas Tower shootings.

The NRA started its campaign of paranoia, fear and propaganda aimed at selling more and more guns in the late 70's Before that its main activities were directed at gun safety and gun control . That is the main thing having to do with guns that has changed over the years

I will agree that laws will probably not stop the problem. Getting rid of all the guns will and that can be done . You are viewing this problem through glasses provided by the NRA.

 

It is how I work. There are people who should not have guns. Plain and simple.

 

The vast majority of gun owners are not NRA members. We all have our personal reasons for owning guns and for most of us, it has nothing to do with the NRA. Self defense, hunting or just recreational shooting are the most likely three.

 

And another silly measure that could only work if EVERY gun on the planet was destroyed And even then the historical concept and technology would still exist and the criminals would simply produce this tool and continue to do what criminals and murderers do with them!

Pretty sad concept for a rational person! Why not go right to the root of the problem, guns wouldn't kill people if we got rid of all the criminals and murderers, right?

Lmfao

 

Of note...all of the above uses could be accomplished without assault weapons...or even semi-auto detachable mag weapons

 

You don't have to be in the NRA to ascribe to their ideology, Hell, you don't even have to know you are ascribing to their ideology and most people don't

No, we can keep the criminals and murderers, just don't let them get guns, and the best way to do that is not to let most people in the general citizenry have them.

You're the one saying that involves all kind of impossible things. I'm saying we should do what every other civilized nation in the world does already and with fairly little problem

 

The more we reduce the number and lethality of the guns floating through our society...the safer we all are.

There is no magic bullet (pardon the pun) but over time it can happen...unless we do nothing.

And of course if we do nothing...nothing will happen

 

My point exactly. I can have the same philosophy as the NRA whether they exist or not.

That could apply to just about everything in life.

I am still trying to figure out the definition of an assault weapon. The best I can figure is that it is a weapon that kind of looks like a military weapon, but is a weapon the military would never use.

 

Doubtful considering we have for a long time known just were to start! It's hardly a secrete where the bulk of gun murder and those criminals and murderers centralized, but decade after decade rolls past and the left make it easier and easier for those areas to stock pile and keep those illegal weapon! Look you can fool yourself all you want, but the left and their fear of losing votes will never entertain the type of gun control you want! They will continue to enact redundant laws to silence their base, they might even manage a ban on magazines and the AR15 but at the end of the day the murderer will still get his hands on one or a alternative and will do what a murderer does and all you will have accomplished is taken and punished the law abiding citizens, and that will have a greater pushback at the polls then your leftist politicians want to risk

 

And how are you going to control Mexico, build a wall You anti gun folks cant even disarm the Gettos or stop the murders happening now and the past 50 years and you want people believe, better yet, believe it yourselves that you can accomplish anything in the way of reducing gun violence

Pretty simple Lesh, you cant do squat because you haven't done squat

 

True. However, I have owned both revolver and semi-auto detachable mag handguns and in my opinion a semi-auto is much more fun to recreational target shoot with. Personally I have no use for an AR-15 type of gun so it doesn’t bother me in the least bit these are banned in my state. Now...for those who see what they think I’m saying instead of what I’m actually saying...I’m not advocating for any weapon to ever be banned. Let me say that again...I’m not advocating for ANY weapon to be banned. Not being upset ARs are banned in my state is NOT the same as advocating for it.
Now, I know many will argue if ‘assault’ weapons are banned other guns will be next. Well, if that is the case, then why weren’t other types of guns banned federally after the federal assault weapons ban was implemented back in 1994? The ban was in place for 10 years and yet, no other types of guns were banned. My state has had an ‘assault’ weapons ban in place ever since the federal law was implemented....yet no other types of guns have been banned. Twenty-four years and no other types of guns have been banned. We can still own rifles, shotguns, revolvers, semi-auto handguns, etc.

 

Real military American Assault Rifles are derivations of the Stoner Rifle. They're actually super powered .22s. Russian Assault Rifles are either the AK-47, which is .30 caliber or the AK-74, which is a much smaller but high powered caliber. You are right in that most everything called an Assault Rifle isn't . A real Assault Rifle is only made and generally legal for military use as it has optional fully automatic firing modes. Most well-equipped armies have moved beyond them and are now using the FN based models, though there are a lot of them still around

 

Correct, and in order to do that, you have to remove the type of weapons from society that you don't want them to have. That's how society moves forward.

Constantly shooting kids in school stalls society.

 

Like I said "it is a weapon that kind of looks like a military weapon, but is a weapon the military would never use."

I have qualified on the M-16. I have never owned or fired an AR-15, but I have handled an AR-15. They are light and comfortable. Just the kind of weapon I would want walking through woods hunting.

"Real military American Assault Rifle" is a made up term. Most military individual weapons are select fire which describe their capability.

 

Not at all. I don't claim that just because I favor one kind of weapon, that the rest of society is only entitled to that type of weapon. We are individuals with individual needs and desires.

 

I too have no use for an AK either, I do however own two M14. I couldn't pass up the price and with all the publicity they are a extremely profitable investment. As for auto load and aside from giving up a little bit of accuracy, I like not having to cycle a bolt and the luxury of having the glass and trigger finger stationary on a miss or adjusting to another target (Prairie Dog or Gophers).

The mistake people are making is the AK or M14 style weapon is not the tool with the most murders, it's the semi auto hand gun that is, 9mm to be exact! The most popular Glock 17 holds 15 rounds just 5 less then the most popular 20 round after market mags sold for AK and M14 rifles..

 

Who is them, Murderers or Law abiding Americans? How about we start limiting what types of food we can buy/eat as heart disease and diabetes is killing to many people! And before you call "Hyperbole" on me, try rereading the "Constantly shooting kids in school stalls" in your hyperbolic post!

Taking things away from responsible citizens while irresponsible criminals and murderers are allowed to possess those same items is hardly a social advancement but more of a devolvement of society!

 

Agree semi auto handguns are predominantly used in gun murders. I would also venture to guess ARs are hardly the tool for home burglaries. Awfully tough to carry a weapon of that size when you’re also trying to carry all the stolen goods.

 

Why do you keep using the term "Assault weapons". They are NOT assault weapons, it is a term made up by the liberal press, just like illegal aliens are called immigrants, which they are not, they are invaders.

 

That's why your school massacres will continue and increase.

 

Yes, but they are AWSUM for home defense.

 

Probably the murderers were once law abiding, then turned crazy. Yes, salt content in food is being lowered and a taxation on sugary drinks to lower sugar intake.

You have this crazy thought that only law abiding citizens will be without.