Why not mandate trigger locks and locked gun cases?

Than you for conceding the point so quickly and clearly.

 

What should also be evident to you is that the murder rate started decreasing in the 80's well before any firearm bans.

Our chart from the 90's to now is similar, except the US had a much steeper rate of decline in homicides.

And we did it without a gun buyback.

 

Britain, France, Germany, Italy, Japan and Australia after WWII. We lead the world in gun deaths and senseless massacres of our own children, Yay America, U*S*A. U*S*A

 

You gotta have something, at least mine don't cause a senseless massacre of our schoolchildren every month or so.

 

Obsess much Tog6?

 

Yea they were...but you don't care

 

So lemme see, Your basic argument here is that because the problem has become so bad we should do nothing about it?

 

Locks only keep out honest people!!

 

Well if ones uses an open mind and somewhat honest evaluation, that's exactly what has been the approach towards the Ghettos, and illegal inner city gun, drug and criminal culture that go unaccosted regardless of statistics of murders by firearm!

As an example, we used to have stop and search that worked pretty well, but as with many PC Leftist policies that has long been ruled as intrusive and no longer practiced! Same goes with the ridiculous rise of sanctuary states and cities, another leftist brainstorm The leftist play both ends of the field in they complain about firearms and in the same breath protect those area's where statistic show to be the largest problem area's by protecting and then tying the hands of law enforcement to the point they can't do anything but wait until a murder happens..

Leftist are not proactive, they are reactive, someone must die first!

 

Especially someone with the most political value, like a child.

 

You would think these anti gun people would see what happened during prohibition. Violence and gunfire skyrocket after the 18th amendment was passed, political corruption was rampant, you know, it would make Hillary look like a creampuff. This was why they used it as an excuse to outlawed full automatic weapons . However, once they legalized alcohol with the 21st amendment again, the violence went away. Learn from history.......

 

killed by a child. You still have not answered my question. Why when I was a kid in the 1950s and 1960s nobody killed and shot up skills and other gun free zones.

But since Columbine, this has exploded. WHY, what has changed. We had the same guns growing up, we were the same children. So again,

What has changed????

 

You are probably thinking about someone else besides me.

 

And what about them Cubs, will they win this year?

The subject is general gun control, try to discuss that

 

The NRA started their campaign to eradicate gun laws about 10 years before Columbine (late 70's) . Before then they mainly promoted gun safety and gun control.

 

They started fighting additional gun control when they started talking about sensible gun control, which was anything but sensible. . There are a lot of reasons for the upturn in school shootings. Violent video games, violent movies, media coverage and HIPAA probably has as much to do with it as anything.

 

You just don't like reading reality, this thread has gone on and on covering all it could possible cover, and still you want some kind of answer, magic cure. Until the anti gun people face facts they will simply be disappointed with the history of gun violence, the current lack of action where todays gun violence is most prevalent and the reality that the only idea's they can come up with doesn't address the right people, criminals..

 

Do you feel that's how society works?

Because you have law abiding people with cars, guns, knives, drugs etc.. and society has people that abuse these, does society implement regulations because we have to walk with the slowest in society or do you feel no regulations is the best way forward?

 

And still the conservatives fail to address the central reality of this whole thing. You can't shoot people with guns that aren't there

 

Society has changed so regulations and laws also require changing. Same with the Constitution but there's resistance to update it, hence the gun problem.

Take vehicles, with the possible introduction of self drive vehicles, authorities are beginning to look at legislation.

 

No, tougher gun regulations doesn't stop all gun incidents, it vastly reduces them.

Gun nuts use history to support their cause; the forefathers, tyrannical governments etc.. but wish to ignore the history where gun control in the UK and Australia vastly reduced gun incidents.

Why do you wish to turn a blind eye to evidence?

 

I'm left with the distinct impression, from reading most of the posts on this thread, that the pro-gun nutters are so preoccupied with their firearms that their rationale is 'Hey, what does a few schoolkids matter so long as I can keep my guns. It's a price worth paying!' What a depressing reflection on American life?

 

What you are trying to do is create a bigger black market. Those guns will STILL be there, most murders committed in major cities are stolen and illegally obtained. You are living in a bubble of your own reality, rather than face what really is happening. You want to punish the honest people for a few dishonest people. It is a people problem.

Again and again, what law would have stopped this kid who stole the guns??? NONE, except strip America of one of it's most prized possessions, the right to own guns, and then the kid would have went and gotten one off of the black markets. We made drugs illegal, how is that working out??? You are living in a dream world of the perfect world, and it is NOT a perfect world.

 

We have sacrificed our youth for useless wars by the millions, I have seen it first hand as the bodybag those "expendable" resources, against my will as a draftee even. We have abortion, so what that 500,000 babies die, woops, that is the anti gun people saying that. You liberal nuts have a better record than we gun nuts do for killing people, and using the genocider's method that "they are just a clump of cells, not people! They are not considering for the guns, but for the freedom of all. We find 18 year olds expendable by the millions in US history for those freedoms.

 

Me? A 'liberal'?? You obviously haven't been a member of this site for very long. I might be a nutter but I sure ain't no liberal nutter!