Correlation between abortion restriction and increased infant mortality

Now i am the first to say that correlation does not necessarily equal causation but there is a growing body of evidence suggesting that those areas with increased restriction on abortion have a higher infant mortality rate as seen in this research paper

https://scholar.colorado.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=2429&context=honr_theses

This may well be because the states with the most restrictions have the worst record in supporting families

https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2017/08/abortion-womens-health-outcomes-maternal-mortality/

 

If more kids are born of course it will lead to higher infant mortality. I did not see that it stated that infant mortality rate increased, in fact it stated that the IMR has steadily decreased in the 20th century to today, it is 5.8 per 1000 births. However, for 1000 abortions, there are 1000 deaths, even ebola is not that deadly.

 

Shakes head at sheer......

Infant mortality is never expressed as raw numbers. It is always expressed as "per 1000". Or " per 10,000". But that is not the point. The point is the correlation between restrictions on on aspect of female rights and the lack of support for families and women in general. Even you excuse that IMR has decreased is just that. An excuse. And abortion does not cause infant mortality because it is only potentially an infant

What this really underscores since these are "red" states is that republicans want to save the foetus but ignore the child

 

I agree with shaking the head over the thing you didn't say.

If 1000 people have cars and another group of 1000 people don't have cars; which group has more car accidents.

I swear to god, basic friggin logic.

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You know, let so frame this in a different light. I don't know what an abortion costs in Australia, but in the US it is on average $600. Some states are higher some are lower, there is no such thing as free. So forms of contraception: birth control pills, $25 a month. Condoms, a $1 a piece, every men's restroom in every club has a condom machine, every grocery store, gas station etc. They are easily available. The morning after pill is $25. Using all of these together cost less than $100... I thought women were supposed to be the smart sex, you all are pretty damn stupid with over 1/2 million abortions in the US alone. Just so that you know, that's over $300 million a year.

And I know I'll hear the argument that those don't always work...save it, I have five kids and was quite promiscuous before I got married. They do work, there is also oral and anal sex, and masturbation...none of those will result in pregnancy. Or get a dildo. Use your flipping brains for once.

The old joke was that once you have all the p***y, you should have all the money. Guess women aren't as smart as they think they are.

 

There is a vacuum where logic should be in this post

It is so illogical that there is no rebuttal to be framed

 

A. Where are you sourcing your data?
B. Do you win at lottery every time you gamble? No? Then that is what using a condom is a gamble. 15 women out of a hundred relying on a condom will get pregnant. That is 15 unwanted pregnancies

Now you just admitted to playing the game. How do you know that condom worked every time?

And blaming the women has NOTHING to do with the fact that states with higher restrictions on abortion also have higher infant mortality rates

 

Yeah your source is unbiased, lol. Look up cost of abortion in the US, some are as low as $400 some as high as $1800, I averaged it through the use of math. As for the cost of other contraceptives, I have 5 kids, my wife insisted on all of them being on birth control pills. I have 2 boys and I make sure they have condoms.

As for how I know I never got a girl pregnant, I kept in touch with them for a while, two of them are friends of my wife, they introduced us. So yes I know for a fact none of those women got pregnant.

Also, S. Carolina is no where near the top according to the CDC, that would be Delaware which is a pretty liberal state.


https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/pressroom/sosmap/infant_mortality_rates/infant_mortality.htm

Also, just so that you are aware California and Texas by far have the highest number of infant deaths because of the higher population which has nothing to do with abortion laws.

And yes I can blame the woman... it's her body, she has the right to say no, the right to kill a child just because it's her body, she didn't get pregnant by herself. So if everything is her choice it is all her blame as well.

 

Hmmm 2018 data

 

Abortion restrictions



Not an exact correlate but......

Now let us look at a political map

 

Did you even look at that map? " Infant mortality rates for infants of non-hispanic black women". Pretty selective/deceptive on your part, unless you were just ignorant and missed it.

 

That is what the original research was quoting anyway

It does not matter if one group is eliminated in fact it strengthens the data because you are comparing like to like.

Now a political map



A lot of Republicans have been frothing at the mouth about abortion for years wanting more and more restrictions so much so that it has become a central or core platform

At the same time they also have a core platform of decreasing welfare including decreasing welfare to families

Is it any wonder that there is even a mild correlation?

 

Yes it does matter, I told you it was biased research, you can't discount more than 90% of the women in a study and claim it is accurate. It is only accurate for black women. And the CDC data I put forth is more accurate. But you disagree because it doesn't fit your narrative. The OP is bogus, because the research is bogus. According to the CDC Delaware is the worst state rate wise.

 

Right.

More of "x" results in more incidences of "y".

Completely illogical.

 

Yep sure was!!

I could make a similar "logical" argument saying if one country has no guns and the other is awash with them which country would have the lowest incidence of firearm mortality in children?

Who claimed that abortion reduces infant numbers to zero? Because if that is what you are saying then you are ignoring the fact that there many more children born than aborted

 

Thanks for letting everyone else see that.

 

Again we are comparing like to like to reduce ethnic variability

Here is the link showing all three groups https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/databriefs/db295.pdf

But if you had bothered to read my link in the original post you would have read that

https://scholar.colorado.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=2429&context=honr_theses

 

Yep you were the one that posted that foray into illogical rubbish. I simply identified it for what it was

 

Oh my pleasure.

It's just like when all cheaters in class sit in the back row, and we know Johnny is a cheater because he sits in the back row too.

 

""""""""""And yes I can blame the woman... it's her body, she has the right to say no, the right to kill a child just because it's her body, she didn't get pregnant by herself. So if everything is her choice it is all her blame as well""""""



ACORDING to Righties:

Everything is all on the woman, everything is her responsibility, everything is her fault, it's her body, it's all her problem and no one else's, all the BLAME on her..


Until she wants to exercise her right to her own body and then Righties roll out Big Government, tells her that government owns her body and so she can't get an abortion…...and THEN they say they aren't misogynists !!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

What part of "like to like" are you not understanding. We are comparing apples to apples not apples to all other round fruit

 

Government says a lot of things about what is legal and illegal. Are they always right, no. And it is the AMA that drives a lot of these laws, politicians enact them on recommendations from the AMA.

But yes, if a woman is going to ignore the fact that she didn't get pregnant by herself and the man is left out of the equation, then yes women own up to your responsibilities and accept it, it is all on you.

 

Thank you for substantiating exactly what I posted:



ACCORDING to Righties:

Everything is all on the woman, everything is her responsibility, everything is her fault, it's her body, it's all her problem and no one else's, all the BLAME on her..


Until she wants to exercise her right to her own body and then Righties roll out Big Government, tells her that government owns her body and so she can't get an abortion…...and THEN they say they aren't misogynists !!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

As long as women exclude men from the decision making process, then yes it is all on her. Women can have an abortion even if the sperm donor wants the child. Or she can keep the child, and force the sperm donor to pay child support even when he didn't want the child.

As I said, the AMA is the one that stated age of viability is 24 weeks, meaning the child can survive outside the womb. Also, the AMA is a liberal group, they are the ones that drive a bunch of the laws on the books about abortion. Besides, this is a free country, go where the laws suit you because every state is different.

 

Thank you for substantiating exactly what I posted:



ACCORDING to Righties:

Everything is all on the woman, everything is her responsibility, everything is her fault, it's her body, it's all her problem and no one else's, all the BLAME on her..


Until she wants to exercise her right to her own body and then Righties roll out Big Government, tells her that government owns her body and so she can't get an abortion…...and THEN they say they aren't misogynists !!!!!!!!!!!!!

You don't even realize you are agreeing with me even if it's obvious that you can't address :

Until she wants to exercise her right to her own body and then Righties roll out Big Government, tells her that government owns her body and so she can't get an abortion…...and THEN they say they aren't misogynists !!!!!!!!!!!!!




BTW, no matter if a group is liberal or Repug or not...NO one can change the FACT that a fetus is viable at 23 weeks.....Righties might Hate Science but they can't change it....