An American Awakening

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  1. Hoosier8

    Hoosier8 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    An American Awakening

    As one of the left's favorites has said, 'elections have consequences'. The hair on fire alarmism by progressives is just an indication how weak their positions have been constitutionally.

    More: https://amgreatness.com/2018/07/05/an-american-awakening/
     
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    The nature of the constitution is such that a more stringent, textualist interpretation just pushes the cause back to the states.

    Firstly, if any state wants to pass laws condoning homosexual marriage, legal abortions, etc, then they can do so at the state level. Secondly, if 38 states vote to hold a ratifying convention and ratify whatever comes out of it they can amend the constitution and add hate speech provisions, a right to abortion, national homosexual marriage, etc.

    The problem with both of these solutions is that Democrats hold barely hold 14 state legislatures. Republicans are just 6 legislatures shy of constitutional impunity.

    Under a textualist interpretation the states have a lot more power, so Democrats better start filing into both state and Congressional elections They're in the wilderness at the moment. If Trump gets Ginsburg and Breyer plus 6 more states that's end game.
     
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    They may end up with two or three decades of the inability to use the Federal court for judicial activism.
     
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    It's a chicken egg argument. Is America changing because Trump is president or is Trump president because America is changing.
     
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    I think the stable genius and his fleet-footed team recognized and took full advantage of a changing America....

    an America that is tired of being apologized for.....that is tired of being told we "didn't build that".....

    that is tired of being called racist and bigoted and xenophobic and deplorable because we want to protect and defend the only homeland we will ever have....

    that is tired of being told by Almighty Government that we must purchase a product from the private sector as a condition of being alive and over twenty-five....that is tired of being promised we can keep our plans and doctors and save $2,500 a year...

    that is tired of being on the losing end of globalist trade deals....that is tired of lawlessness and cartels and gang warfare and riots based on lies....

    that is tired of amnesty, sanctuary city, DACA, Dreamer and other 'immigration reform' rhetoric that in every case informs the entire third world that if they can manage to breach our borders, they'll basically be left alone....

    that is tired of divisive Identity/Victim-Oppressor politics....that is tired of 'protected groups', quotas, and other special group carve-outs that are in direct violation of the 14th Amendment's Equal Protections Clause...

    that is tired of safe spaces and virtue signaling and perpetually outraged social justice warriors....

    oh boy...I could go on and on.
     
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    I think the latter.

    America was PISSED off, and it wasn't just some small movement, people all across the country were incredibly angry.

    You could see it in both Bernie and in Trump, "we the people" were sick of it all in 08 and that is why Obama won with Hope and Change.

    When Obama didn't do anything different, in fact he just did more and worse of the exact same, people were FUMING with anger. Again, taht is why bernie and trump did so well.

    I think Trump is a product of this anger, 100%
     
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    I don't think it was just anger that got Trump elected, people wanted someone outside the political machine that spitd out the same candidates with different names and faces doing the same ****.
     
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    I think Trump played it smart when he ridiculed his opponents and made them look weak, he attracted those who were ready to take our country back and reverse the damage the progressives had inflicted but the biggest reason was to restore our country and rid it of activist judges and restore our institutions in accordance with the Constitution and how we govern ourselves.

    . Bernie touched the sole of the uninformed young, the dependent adults of our society and the radical fringe who wish to overthrow our present government.

    Either way the establishment now knows that the old way of business and going up to Washington and greasing their pockets with perks while doing nothing is coming to an end. Trump has shown that he expects accountability and he's not afraid to point out those who are not doing the job. Sort of like the work place and companies we work for. If your not producing then get the hell out of way and let someone else have your job that can.
     
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    Drain circlers always have such nuanced and considered reasons to deny where they are.
     
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    Constitution fetishists are naive. Power doesn't care about words on paper. Power simply exercises itself.
     
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    To be popular at the State level they will have to move right and to do that they must send out scouts to relocate the middle for them.
     
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    Yup, they were angry they kept getting the same type of politician.

    That is exactly what I am saying
     
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    Then why are lefties so up in arms about getting rid of Roe v Wade? It is just words on paper right?
     
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    . "Bernie touched the sole (soul) of the uninformed young, the dependent adults of our society and the radical fringe who wish to overthrow our present government. "
    Disagree. These young people were better educated and feeling shut out from the American Dream.
    The dependent adults are Hillary people.

    "reverse the damage the progressives"

    You're are confusing Progressives and Liberals
    The hard difference is the Tax Code.
    Bernie has said Wall St. owes the American people for the bail out.
    Not Liberals who tax code protects Wall St.
    The Democratic Party has shifted from Main St. to Wall St.

    The soft difference is whereas Progressives seem more about equal opportunity,
    Liberals are more about Social Engineering at the expense to the Middle Middle Class
    and now there is no Middle Middle Class.

    :woot:
     
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    How can this be? Just about all of them have been to college or some form of higher learning. Many have been living at home and are on their parents health insurance. They have the internet to network. They have many advantages that none of us had. My town is screaming for people to work as electricians, welders, pipefitters, engineers, nurses and many other trades. Could it be these jobs require labor and getting dirty? Did they all try to get liberal arts degrees and find the field is over crowded. What is their America Dream? If they are waiting at home for a job that starts at the top then they my as well go into their parents refrigerator and make a sandwich and grab a beer. It's going to be a long wait.

    I was under the impression the Progressives believed in the advancement of society, as a whole, to a better future. Elon Musk, Steve Jobs, Bill Yates, Jeff Bezos, Mark Zuckerburg come to mind for me. They are changing, or have changed, the landscape of America. It's not a free lunch for anybody but many opportunities for others.

    When I hear the term liberals I think of the likes of Bernie Sanders, Elizbeth Warren, Maxine Waters, George Soros. I don't hear about things like moving forward. It is mainly negative and destroying the present and redistribute the wealth. By force if necessary.
     
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    We disagree. Especially thinking all young people are . . .
    Bernie proposes Progressive concepts like tuition free higher education
    not heard of from liberals.
    California was traditionally Progressive with a great County based indigent medical care system and the goal of tuition free higher education.

    Young people today are shut out of "home ownership".
    We don't call it wealth redistribution when the uber rich got more and more since 1960 and the beginning of bipartisan tax cuts and the destruction of the Eisenhower Tax Code.
    Yet to adjust the tax code to give working people more spending money and place more burden on the uber rich is termed wealth redistribution. Go figure.

    These charts represent a creation of Liberals and GOP. And a lack of Progressive thinking.

    super-rich.gif inequality-p25_averagehouseholdincom.png


    We need a return to Progressive/Populist concepts and not confuse or be confounded by LIberal.
    Bernie is the closest. Warren was but, drifted Liberal.


    Moi :oldman:
     
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    Neither !
    Enough of America woke up because of the smell and stench of progressive rot.
     
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    Free? Free at what cost? Free Medical care? Free at what cost? Free education? Free at what cost? Your understanding of me thinking all young people are Bernie supporters is like me thinking you believe all young people are froze out of the housing market.
     
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    Would you go back to the reply about young people with no chance in the housing market.
    Maybe the charts provided.
    And reply void of analogies. Gracias.

    Yes, California had the dream of tuition free higher education for decades.
    Don't blame Moi. "Added Fees" began when I attended University of California.

    Governor Reagan put a stop to the tuition free concept.

    Young people. Educated young people, Young people who invested in a better future for themselves via higher education are feeling excluded from the American dream.
    Such as home ownership.
     
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    I have never been one to care what someone else makes. I would never know how to live rich or have any desire to do so. It use to be the rich were idolized and it was the dream of many that they also could become rich. It was the magnet that drew the immigrant to the USA. It has always been my philosophy that when I applied for a job I had free choice to except the job and it's pay and conditions or move on. With the money I made I lived within my means and occasionally I payed someone to do repairs I was unskilled to do. Did I resent my boss because he made a huge amount of money? Why should I? He payed my wages, subsidized my health care, payed for my time to a vacation, offered me a program to save for my retirement, payed my life insurance premiums as long as I worked there and at times payed me the days I was sick. He not only did this for me but for hundreds of others in my town. The friendships I made were everlasting, the skills I was taught prepared me for a decent comfortable life. He put up the capital and took all the risks of losing everything he owned. He lived the American Dream and succeeded. He helped me to live the American Dream.

    Sometime rejection is our protection. I own my home and have a rental unit. If it wasn't for the dogs I would sell tomorrow and rent. High mortgage payments. repairs, remodeling, taxes etc. etc. etc. can make ones life miserable. I'm ready to rent and call the land lord if anything goes wrong. It is quite possible to own a home today if one is willing to save the down payment and be credit worthy. Like Lynn Anderson said:
    "I beg your pardon
    I never promised you a rose garden
    Along with the sunshine
    There's gotta' be a little rain sometime

    Freedom's just another word for nothin' left to lose
    Nothin' ain't worth nothin' but it's free. Kris Kristofferson or Janis Joplin "Me and Bobby McGee"
     
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    Yep all that anger ably assisted in its stoking by the RUSSIAN MILITARY. Their weaponization of social media exposed how easily anyone can be a patsy to their confirmation bias.
     
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    I think class and racial conflict is growing in the US. Whether that is awakening depends I guess on who is commenting.
     
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    Keep believing that. You and Hillary can go to the voting booth together next time.
     
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    Not an awakening a realization. Trump uses all the trigger words of his white nationalist allies, even on foreign soil. This emboldens the truly radical racist fascist scumbags to crawl out from their rocks and once they do, there is a rather nasty reaction in other parts of society. They then go whining about civility and freedom of speech and how they are being oppressed. Meanwhile America's enemies are exacerbating the divisions with MILITARY CYBER OPERATIONS.

    Imagine that.
     
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