Is health care a responsibility of the government. or a personal responsibility?

Still trying to argue a nothingburger because you cannot argue the facts. Keep pounding on the table >)

 

You think chronic conditions cost the same as a boob job, do you?
Keep in mind chronic conditions are ongoing whereas a boob job is typically a one time thing. There is a reason why medical related bankruptcies occur.

 

What does cost have to do with anything? Just because somebody can't afford something is completely irrelevant to anything, as far as I can tell.

When we're talking about rights to goods or services, we're not talking about those being free, now are we?

 

I will most definitely be on Medicare. I am not a Republican.

And it was not a "gotcha" moment. I really wanted to know if you are one of those I mentioned. If you're not, you're not... But if you are, you might be able to explain the thought process of those who believe it's theft, but have no qualms about receiving it. Are you?

 

I HAVE argued the facts, while you only respond with opinions. Try to respond with a DECENT rebuttal, rather than a meaningless dismissal.

 

Social security is based on how much you made and how much you paid in. Also Medicare is taken every week out of my check. The Ponzi schema continues. You win nothing. It was money stolen from me in the first place. So if you have payroll deduction for savings, and you go to the bank and they say there is nothing there because they paid previous depositors and the bank is broke today, you should just forget about it?? Ponzi Schema!!!

 

Decent response. Keep pounding the table! I told you, the constitution, the ONLY law of the land. You keep claiming things that are not in the rule book. sorry, how can I argue with something that is not contained in the rule book? It seems you keep arguing about yardage for a first down, in a baseball game.

 

I’m talking about allowing people health insurance some they don’t lose their home due to their unfortunate illness. I get you don’t care about people.

 

No

 

Personal responsibility is directly associated with one's values, and those collective values expressed in the Declaration of Independence are now widely challenged. . . . But does that change their original meaning???

 

huh? Why are you arguing in favor of something quite a few people don't even have? Hell, my wife and I have worked very hard for many years to own our own home. Many people don't have a home, so why are you worried about home owners when you probably walk past homeless people all the time? Have you not seen those homeless encampments where people can't even afford to rent a small studio?

Regardless of your bizarre affectation to protect homeowners from having to pay for their own healthcare on the grounds that if they had to, they might end up losing what many people don't even have, I'm still confused as to what paying for something has to do with anything. You haven't made the argument that homeowners should be treated differently from renters or homeless.

 

wut?

I was talking about freedom. Personal responsibility has nothing to do with freedom.

Or are you saying that personal responsibility is one of those things that tie us together as a collective? If so, I'm more than willing to hear your argument for that.

 

Already answered: A big fat Yes. But 1- it would be off-topic on this thread. This one is about Healthcare. I'm not interested in helping you to derail the thread... and 2- I would derail also my own point. That fact is irrelevant to my point. So the only purpose I can see for which you want me to bring it is to create a strawman. If you want to evade my point, you will need to fabricate your strawman arguments without my help.

 

simply saying "yes" is not a citation.

 

The Ninth Amendment in the Bill of Rights states that just because rights are not specifically enumerated in the Constitution does not mean that they don't exist. . . . There is NOTHING in the Constitution arguing against government regulated health care, but the "promote the general welfare" clause certainly is an argument in its favor.

Perhaps we should abolish the FAA, the FCC, and the DOT, since they were not specifically mentioned in your constitutional "rulebook"???

 

Okay, now I'm totally confused. You use the general welfare clause to argue in favor of what we have now? It's certainly regulated by the government, so that must necessarily mean that what we have right now is promoting general welfare.

I would disagree, but if you really like what we have now, then... okay.

 

Do you believe that the draft was unconstitutional??? Or jury duty???. . . . How about our responsibility to obey the law???

 

Did you miss my question? Obviously, so I'll repeat it.

Are you saying that personal responsibility is one of those things that tie us together as a collective?

 

In my opinion, all Humans have inherent value. In Canada ans Scandinavia, the Government must provide good care to everyone. Even prisoners serving life sentence are entitled to humane conditions.

 

Thank you very much!

George Washington and Thomas Jefferson fought for American Independence -- they also fought for the Bill of Rights. Even the worst pirate or highwayman was granted Innate Human Rights by GW and TJ.

 

What's kept them from carrying a catastrophic plan?
I'm responsible for their poor planning.
Let them get away with it, twenty more follow

 

Rights are for people, not government.
WTF did you study in fourth grade?

 

Yes. . . . Are you denying that my examples illustrate how personal responsibility ties us together as a collective, or was the inference too subtle???

 

could you cite the post number where you cite these examples? I've tried keeping up with this thread, but regretfully, I can't find it.

 

You're the one claiming it is the Preamble that allows such a law to be passed and grants the authority to enforce it not me.