Those planets are not in the Goldie Lox zone sp? As I said science has long since moved on from the silly notion that all you need is carbon and oxygen. There are many many things they have found necessary for life to form and even when life does form you have a significantly better chance of winning the lottery than for intelligent life to form. If civilizations were as common as you believe then Earth would have been colonized by another civilization millions of years ago before we even existed.
There are no floaty helium things flying around in Jupiter. The radiation from Jupiters magnetic field is hostile to life just by itself. Believe me I would love the universe to look like Star Wars with millions of different unique civilizations but facts are facts and as much as I want to reality cannot be ignored. Sadly we are the only intelligent life in this area and there are only a handful of possible civilizations in the entire galaxy. Intelligent life like ourselves doesn't appear to be the norm.
But that's a meaningless statement, given that what "appears" to us is such a tiny fraction of the universe.
Is there another kind of intelligence that can build spaceships, the internet, lesbian porn, pulled pork and cole slaw sandwiches? Intelligence like ours is binary, its not subjective. Either you have it or you don't. Life on Earth has existed in one form or another for 3,500,000,000 years. And "intelligent" life has only show up on the last 100,000 of those years and only in a handful of the billions of species that have existed over that timespan. At no point is there any indication that we were colonized by another civilization.
Disagreed, but obviously you have your unsubstantiated fantasies about what is real and what is not. The fact remains, despite decades of looking, we have zero evidence of other intelligent life. Yes, there are valid reasons to explain it, but that fact remains, we have ZERO evidence. You are free to claim you know otherwise. You are free to demean others. You are free to speak your opinion. What you are not free to do is avoid disagreement from others because they have the same rights as you on this forum.
So the life living in nuclear reactors and things under massive pressures and no light at the ocean bottom are fake? You and I cannot possibly "Know" what is possible and life right here on Earth has adapted to pretty much every place it finds. Again...a bit of imagination seems in order here.
In addition to the apes, of which I believe there are six species, there have been a variety of humans, seen below. And even today, Neanderthals live among us. Beyond that animals like dolphins and whales, which are related to hoofed land animals, and squid and octopus, are highly intelligent. If left to their natural course may too evolve to where they develop a technological intelligence. They have already been shown to be surprisingly good at problem solving. I say the evidence suggests that intelligence is a winner in natural selection. Therefore it will likely be found to be common where large animals exist. Similar arguments can be made for features like symmetry, optical vision, the ability to sense vibrations [sound], modes of locomotion... We expect to see features that work here, work elsewhere, because physics is the same everywhere. And because evolution occurs through random mutations over many millions of years, the laws of large numbers demands that every variation that can occur, will occur. So similar solutions for survival will occur in any evolving biosphere.
Consider also that when it comes to very small and simple lifeforms like bacteria, and even complex amino acids, at any given time there are billions and billions and billions, in fact The scientists from the University of Georgia estimate the number of bacteria on our planet to be five million trillion trillion - that's a five with 30 zeroes after it. There are far more bacteria on earth than there are stars in the universe.Aug 25, 1998 BBC News | Sci/Tech | Planet bacteria news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/158203.stm How long of odds do you want to give me for any unlikely chemistry, or random mutation, or series of mutations, that you like. Take millions of trillions of trillions of bacteria over billions of years. What are the odds for any particular mutation? What does it matter? Even if the chances are one in a billion, it will occur. And it likely will occur millions or billions, or trillions of times.
That's disconcerting. Just think how much it would have stung if you had shown any understanding of fermi's paradox and the counter arguments against its soundness! Which, of course, is utterly meaningless, and one would be a fool to think that is anywhere near enough information to draw a conclusion about anything. I did not claim to know otherwise. I also did not demean anyone...I called a statement "meaningless", and a paradox "garbage"... Then you demeaned me. You might want to review your posts before posting them.
Not only that, we have only been looking for radio transmissions, which have only lasted here on earth for a little over a century. With LASER and microwave now dominating the communications media, earth is going radio silent. So by our own example, looking for radio is looking for a flash in the pan. It is likely to only exist for a snapshot of time in the history of a planet with intelligent life. The entire logic of SETI was that we could detect us. That will not be the case much longer.
But again Fermi falls flat on his face. Where are they? You can't seriously ask that question unless you are willing to consider the evidence that they have been here. It is intellectually dishonest to ignore and dismiss the evidence at hand unless you're an expert.
Thanks for the insult. Feel free to explain Fermi's Paradox as you see it and why you think it's wrong.
Well, for one, i i dont think that, even of there were billions of intelligence life on billion of planets in the history of our universe, that any of them would have efound or contacted us. The evolution of an intelligent species may take quite a bit of time and be fraught with disaster. We only just discovered the power of the atom, and we still flirt with the destruction of our species every single day. Furthermore, and given the above, I find it entirely possible that very few, if any, species have mastered faster than light travel in the history of the uni erse so far. Fermi's paradox , though, can even be rejected "prima facie", as it relies on some weird time continuum that is infinite going in both directions....
Why? You are obviously wrong. Fermi's Paradox asks a question, a very good question. Are you claiming to have evidence of aliens? You wouldn't be the first, but you'd be the first to prevent factual proof of it being true.
One would not jave to have evidence of aliens to prove fermi's paradox is wrong or to reject it. You are making a very basic error of logic.
Says the guy who claimed Fermi's paradox was wrong. Awaiting your evidence he was wrong. I expect it will be a long, long, looooong wait. https://www.space.com/25325-fermi-paradox.html
That is all nonsensical, and it shows that you don't understand fermi's paradox. One does not have to present evidence it is wrong to reject it...one merely makes a strong counterargument, and then the audience makes up their minds on their own. It's a thought experiment, not an evidence based determination.
Dodge. All you do is disclaim and accuse. You don't post facts nor links to back up your opinion. That's fine. You are free to have as many unsubstantiated opinions as you like. You are free to insult members without a shred of evidence. What you are not free to do is avoid having your factless opinions be questioned.
Again, that doesn't make sense in a discussion of the soundness of fermi's paradox. It is an argument, not a scientific theory supported by evidence. And, of the two of us, you clearly came out with the insults first and last. Stop your whining.
Again, you are free to spout as many unsubstantiated opinions as you like. After all, that's your main quality as a poster. As for Fermi's Paradox; the question remains: if there are other civilizations, where are they? BTW, this is what a link looks like: https://www.britannica.com/story/the-fermi-paradox-where-are-all-the-aliens ... the Drake equation, and the Kardashev scale that the true paradox was born. The Milky Way is about 10 billion years old and 100,000 light-years across. If aliens had spaceships that could travel at 1 percent of the speed of light, the galaxy could have already been colonized 1,000 times. Why haven’t we heard from any other life?..
Too far away to see or hear is one possible answer. Obviously. You do understand what a conditional sstatement is, do you not?
