America's Russia Derangement Syndrome

What you are attempting to do is to play the victim for north korea which started the war

In the UN Command’s mind at the time pushing hostile forces out of all of korea was the best way to restore peace and security in the region

If not the UN could have issued Resolution 84 condemning its own forces being north of the 38th

But it never did so

 

B U L L S H * * !!!

Please! Stop asserting something I've never said before and stop deviating from the subject as soon as your arguments go down by the facts like the Titanic!

I have not put North Korea in any victim role ... not even a word!
On the contrary, the fact that North Korea started the conflict is out of the question for me ... even though there are left-wing idiots who also speak of previous provocation from South Korea. But these are only trolls for me!

Your topic was and is China and why it intervened on the side of North Korea, for which you condemn China ... nothing else!
Clearly, China has clearly warned the US to cross the 38th parallel, which was not mandated, but this was simply ignored by MacArthur and Truman.

And why the UN Security Council did not make a resolution here 83 is quite clear ... because who would have wanted to do that and should then at absent USSR and a not yet representative China, eh? Brazil?

 

Playing the blame game is not helpful

China exerted its military power and we chose not to use nuclear weapons

And that us the situation trump is trying to avoid now as north korea builds its nuclear stockpile

 

That 'infection' was recently apparent in London also.

 

Generally everyone got a modest boost in income as the federal government deducted a bit less from their paychecks, additionally many employers increased salaries as they also had to pay less in taxes. I'm surprised you didn't know this, it was widely reported and I remember we had a thread here were posters listed the recurring reports of employers paying one time bonuses or increasing salaries in celebration.

No doubt different tax cuts may have been even more beneficial, or more carefully tailored ones might have been devised to reduce the benefits for employers while enhancing those of their employees, nonetheless it is well-documented the tax cuts did produce widespread economic benefits for most of the workforce.

 

Very low ones for most everyone and very high ones for the very very rich. If you made 70K you got a $1000 benefit, while Trump and those making incomes equivalent to his got millions.

And all of those tax breaks will go away in 10 years, though the much larger tax breaks for businesses will be forever

 

I'm not sure who is "the middle 20% of the income distribution", but figure these aren't the poorest or the richest, neither "the working poor" nor affluent elites, probably solid "middle class".

Also note taxes on income will always affect people differently based on their income, an income tax cut will result in greater savings for those who have higher incomes, a waiter making $30k/year will see less benefit than an engineer making ten times more.

Trump's tax cut had many different parts, it capped the deductions of state taxes, reduced tax rates based on income levels and brought down the corporate rate substantially.

There's a lot of information on the effects, we did see lots of big businesses giving out bonuses, it is unclear whether they used tax savings on capital investment, many sources focus on their stock buybacks and improved dividends (which benefit investors). The economy seems to be doing better, but that could be due to other things. Unemployment is down, income up and the GDP growing, tariffs, business cycles and Fed rates all play a role.

Long ago I learned a primary consideration of the average US citizen at the polls is his first impression of personal financial well being, he asks himself "am I doing better", if its just $41 in a paycheck this might not have much effect, we'll see in the midterms.

 

?????????? Bump for Striped Horse....

 

Absolutely spot on. It is notable that it was former British intelligence operatives who were behind the faked Trump dossier. And much more besides.

 

And every BBC report concerning Trump is skewed against him, especially the Beyond 100 Days program, where each of the two presenters nod in agreement at everything the other one says, and they never challenge anti-Trump interviewees, nor question Anthony Zurcher, unless it's to ridicule and otherwise revile him. It's sickening in its blatant partiality, and obviously our snivelling British establishment is hand-in-glove with Washington in the attempt to get rid of DJT. **** 'em all.

 

I think they see their precious Anglo-American, One World sinking beneath the waves, Cerb. It's been a pipe-dream of the British elite for well over a hundred years and they'll not give up on it easily.

 

Do you think Bill Browder and the Magnitsky Act have a lot to do with this conflict between Putin and US Intel? Have you read Browder's book Red Notice? If so, do you believe Browder's version or Dana Rohrbacher and Vlad Putin's version? You seem to be the resident expert here. Any thoughts on this conflict? Thanks

 

Trump also won a medal for neatness! I wonder how he got into that school for rich brats with those bone spurs?

 

Why has the poster known as Striped Horse ignored my requests for clairification regarding the Browder /Putin/Magnitsky feud? Seems strange that a guy would abandon his own thread and avoid pertainent, on topic discussion. I have been reading a book regarding this whole Russiagate deal that I just picked up from the public library. It is called "Red Notice" by Bill Browder. So far, about halfway through it is very interesting and well documented.

 

Hey Fred, why do you suppose that Striped Horse has abandoned his own thread and refuses to comment on or answer my pertainent questions and comments on what may be the cause of this so called "Russian Derangement Syndrome". Seems strange to me. What is your take? Thanks

 

The Magnitsky Act lists a bunch of Russians involved in the prosecution, incarceration, torture and death of Sergei Magnitsky. Most of those listed held positions in law enforcement, intelligence and the judiciary, some of the listed don't have titles or positions in government that we know of. Natalia Veselnitskaya is on the list. Her clients include Russian parastals, and Petr Katsyv's son, Denis Katsyv (a singer). Petr owns Prevezon Holdings, an investment firm, is the vice president of the state-owned Russian Railways and a former deputy governor of the Moscow region (Denis Katsyv's agent arranged the meeting at Trump Tower). Veselnitskaya is known for leading a multi-pronged attack against the Act, she unsuccessfully campaigned in Washington for its repeal and to change its name, was involved in the making of a documentary on the Act and provided the producers with records according to RussiaTV5 (a broadcaster whose owners are known to be close to Mr. Putin). In response to the adoption of the Magnitsky Act, the Russian government denied Americans adoption of Russian children, issued a list of US officials prohibited from entering Russia, and posthumously convicted Magnitsky. In addition, the Russian government reportedly lobbied against the legislation acting through a public relations company led by Kenneth Duberstein. In June 2016, Vesennitskaya met with Junior to discuss the Act after promising him dirt on Hillary. The Russian lawyer only offered financial records she said detailed donations by Russians to Hillary's campaign, she could not verify them and instead sought to advocate for the repeal of the Act. Junior left the meeting after 20 minutes.

 

Thanks. I am currently reading Browder's book, Red Notice which brings out a lot of what you said and a whole lot more. I have been trying to get the OP to comment on this but he has disappeared from his own thread and is now skulking around some other threads he created insisting that Guccifet 2.0 is another "Deep State" plot and that the Russians are totally innocent of any meddling in our elections and had nothing to do with hacking into the DNC. Why do you suppose he has abandoned his own thread regarding "Russian Derangement Syndrome"?

BTW: Do you believe that Browder's take on these issues is correct or Putin's?

 

I believe Browder is closer to the truth than Putin. I am certain Magnitsky was tortured to death in an effort to coerce a confession.

 

I wonder what the OP thinks about this. He has been dodging my questions for days now. I know that Dana Rohrbacher was a big advocate for Putin and was running a public relations campaign against the Magnitsky Act a few years back, but there is not much material out there that supports his position even in his own website. Hopefully Rohrbacher will be called on the carpet regarding the female Russian agent that was arrested last week. It would seem from the way the OP of this thread burst upon the scene here with all of this detailed info regarding US Russian relations that he would at least respond with his opinion and some material to back it up. I am always Leary of posters that use phrases like Derangement Syndrome, or Deep State rather than addressing points made by other posters. I think that this whole Russian Spy deal is all about money. From what Mr. Browder said, Putin has become a total thief and will not hesitate to murder anyone who dares to expose him. These mobsters running around the US trying to oooze their way into government circles with suitcases of stolen cash are very dangerous because unlike the old Jewish/Italian mafia, they are supported by their government who happens to be a huge military and nuclear power. I for one am glad that there is an effort being made to expose and arrest these termites and any Americans who have sold out for the money and cooperated with them. Maybe Trump ought to consider a travel ban against Russians...

 

Rohrbacher's pro-Russian statements are disturbing to me because she is running for re-election in California and the race is quite close. I don't know if she is supportive of Putin as a strategy to get the votes of the socialist Democrats or this reflects her personal preferences (in either case I disapprove).

On Browder we will probably never know, here's a very interesting article: https://www.salon.com/2018/07/21/bi...o-nations-two-centuries-and-a-lot-of-history/

 

Rohrbacher is a man.

 

Do you mean Bill Clinton's wife? That woman who nobody would know had she
not been the wife of a President?

 

Thanks.

 

Ok, had figured since first name ends in "a" would be female (Maria, Margarita, Rosa, Daniela, Valentina...).