Trump says ‘Fake News’ pushing ‘major confrontation’ with Russia

I'm not mad.

I'm just noting your refusal to address the request in the post you responded to.

My only guess is you have nothing to offer regarding what I asked, and simply follow the same pattern you repeat in every post.

Perhaps you are mad someone calls you on it.

 

Why doesn't Trump treat our Trusted allies at least with the same courtesy he gives to Putin ?

Bully Trump discredits American values.

Putin's Russia will gain from a weakening NATO increasing the possibility that Russia will continue it's Land grab and oppression of Freedom.

 

I have always believed that Cheney, Rumsfeld and their Travis Ave friends though that 9/11 provided them an opportunity to try for an oil grab in Iraq.

It's the only explanation that makes any sense.

If the war goes as well as Bush and company thought it would, Baghdad would be an American client state, and American and British oil companies would be exploiting Iraq's reserves under arrangements far more favorable to big oil than dealing with the nationalized Iraqi oil industry. That was the plan (or fantasy) anyway. Remember that these guys didn't even know that here is a difference between Shia and Sunni Muslims and that this divide was central to Iraqi politics.

But if the war had,by some miracle, gone well, Exxon, BP and Shell would have would up with most of the world's second largest proven oil reserves (remember this was before fracking), on their terms/. The original post colonial Iraqi oil concession would be resurrected!

If the war went badly, oil profits would go through the roof, and markets discounted the possibility of shortage and the instability in the region, driving prices up.

Which is what happened.

The only way big oil couldn't win is if there had been no war at all.

Now the US is stuck with a nominally Iranian client state in Baghdad.

 

Here's the problem with that, Tom.. The oil business HATES a war zone. Bush was wrongly believed to be an "oilman"..

For years after Bush declared "mission accomplished" Iraq's oil production languished.. I counted over 600 acts of sabotage before I gave up and stopped counting before Obama took office.

 

from the sound of it the Iran nuke deal was a bad one.

Honestly I'm not sure about what it was. I really don't care about it.

 

Actually it was a very good deal.. Have you read the particulars? Trump just wanted to breech the agreement because he hates Obama.. Trump has ALWAYS been about vengeance.

 

I discussed how we should handle the Russians/

It's time to reaffirm our deep commitments to the allies who have been with us for 75 years.

Roosevelt and Churchill signed the Atlantic Charter in 1941. Although this document had little force of law in the world as it was that year, it provided the broad outline for the postwar domination of the world by the English speaking people's.

This coalition held for three quarters of a century, In that time, there has bee no war between major powers. Wars have been proxy wars, wars of colonial secession, and proxy wars.

This coalition established a regieme of trade negotiation which has lowered trade barriers all over the world and created global supply chains that make the particpants all the more secure because they are economically bound to one another, without being dependant on one another for either raw materials or plant. The American invention of containerization really supercharged this effort. Now componants of complex products can be moved anywhere there are port facilities for very low cost. erasing the distance penalty,

Disease and hunger have been greatly reduced all over the world. and the standard of living of every person on the planet has risen substantially under the Pax Americana.

This is the legacy Trump is casually and beliggerantly destroying.

North Korea is now a nuclear power. The man who Trump picked to be his National Security Advisor has a long record of failure in North Korea, and he is one of the contributors to the North Korean decision to nuke up.

The US has only limited options when it comes to North Korea (primarily because of the belligerent bungling of the Bush administration).

The US may wind up tolerating Russian activities in Crimea and Ukraine. But it should not be in the business of endorsing the hegemony in Eastern Europe, which Putin is trying to do.

Trump hasn't achieved a single thing at these elaborate pageants other than the animus of our friends and having our enemies laugh at us behind our backs.

But he is a television president, and his only concern seems to be how this nonsense plays to the Fox audience and whether they will continue to by the spin.

There are no easy solutions to Russia or North Korea.

But insulting he Prime Minister of Canada is not one of them,

Nor is insulting the German Chancellor.

Nor is insulting the British Prime Minister.

Nor is hanging up the phone on the Austrailian Prime Minister.

Nor is giving the Chinese their biggest wish without even trying to get some concession in return.

Nor is staging an elaborate photo opp for a dictator who promises noting and has no intention of delivering anything.

Nor is undermining your own country and kowtowing to tyrant, as Trump did last week.]

You know all this is true, just as you know you can't build a case or defend any coherent Tump foreign policy, because there isn't one.

 

Not so sure. I hear different things.

No, I remember trying to find it, I looked, I didn't, I got board and stopped. All I found was alt left news rags wetting their pants about it.

That motive doesn't seem realistic.

I find that doubtful.

 

Read the specifics of the agreement.

Trump has a problem with men.. and he swore vengeance against all the men who didn't bail him out each time he got into financial trouble.

 

India is also ignoring the sanctions. Trump looks like a fool on the world stage.. He crapped on the Palestinians and China announced their financial support for them.

 

Yes I was. I wasn't old enough to be offended by what he was doing though. Were you?

 

India is also ignoring the sanctions. Trump looks like a fool on the world stage.. He crapped on the Palestinians and China announced their financial support for them.

The adults around me discussed it and they were absolutely disgusted, but they were all educated and they were patriots.

 

Money motivated most of that pack and the military knew what a CF our political overlords would make of it and how much blood it would cost the people who were serving under them. The sanctions were a wet dream and were failing.

 

Oh well, if you say they were patriots, that's unassailable.

 

The palestinians are terrorists and US aid was funding jihadists. Merkel's petro dollar$ are funding Putin's black ops and hypersonic ICBM projects. China is competing with Iran in efforts to become the worlds leading supplier of terrorist tools of death. https://www.cnbc.com/2017/02/20/chi...liance-on-outside-providers-report-finds.html Trump's tired of subsidizing terrorists and funding the global industrial military complex that has no qualms about the terrorists they sell arms to.

 

They were engineers, chemists, language experts, geologists and cartographers.. and all had served in WW2.

Conservative doesn't mean stupid.

 

Well Trump loves Russia... what's your beef?

We continue to give arms to Israel.. $134 billion dollars later.

 

Couldn't find them. All I could find wad alt left "news" blogs about it. They all seem to be wetting their pants. If history serves they do that a lot over nothing.

You have a problem with Trump, one I don't think I share. Thus I dont take your editorializing too seriously.

 

I posted a thread on it this morning.

(Conservative doesn't mean STUPID)

Speaking the day after Donald Trump won the presidential election, one of the nation’s leading security and foreign policy experts said, “I think Vladimir Putin had a great night.”

Bruce Riedel, director of the intelligence project at the Washington-based Brookings Institution, said Russia engaged in cyber attacks on Democratic Party sites during the election season and “interfered in our electoral process.” But he added these efforts ultimately did not affect the outcome.

https://news.usni.org/2016/11/10/br...es-concern-trump-views-nato-military-spending

 

Mine picked cotton, drilled for oil and dug coal and served in the Army, seems we have a sliver of common ground.

 

What sub forum?

Don't care about Anti Trump bullshit.

 

Thanks for all the pointless drivel.

Again, what is the strategy to deal with Russia and NK?

Address that if you care to, or don't waste either of our time.

I don't need a history lesson that ignores important facts, like Roosevelt handing Eastern Europe over the Stalin.

I'm asking what the plan is for Russia and NK today.

More sanctions? More sabre rattling? More "you better nots"?

The NDP leadership and it's mouthpieces don't want to President even talking to leaders from both countries, so what's the plan, if even meeting with either one is forbidden in NDP land?

 

Israel is a staunch US ally that faces a very real existential threat from state terrorists. The Israeli wall wasn't built for esthetics / aesthetics anymore than the Iron Dome was installed. Trump's using detente with Russia because sanctions aren't working to deter him. Merkel poised to significantly increase Putin's flow of EU petro dollar$ once his new pipeline opens, has completety thwarted economic sanctions effectiveness. Personally I'd like to see the US draft re-instated and open conflict in eastern Ukraine. Give some millennial SJW's the honor of preserving democracy and perhaps they'll begin to appreciate things like detente and our national anthem.

 

Perceptions are a big thing. To me, I don't think you're an equal by getting into a room with the POTUS. Let's say for example that Abbas was to have a public television negotiation with Netanyahu. Militarily, economically or otherwise the Palestinian Authority is not Israel's equal. That's just the fact.

Was Theresa May Trump's counterpart in the English Summit? It turned out, not really. While Trump relatively doesn't care or not what his detractors say, May was fundamentally weak at home and in comparison to the President.

So you see, perception is a big deal. I don't see the North Koreans as 'equal' to America just because they got a few pictures of Jong and Trump together. North Korea being equal to America, would be committing to the deal and making serious de-nuclearization attempts.

That's how they'd be equal to us. Also, clearly North Korea is being used as a proxy by both China/Russia against the United States. That way they can stay clear and say "not us".(Which is why Pompeo/Haley pointed out the cheating the other day.). However, NK's use as a proxy runs out when the Chinese feel threatened of a major confrontation in Asia.

Part of the reason the summit happened at all, is because the Chinese wanted to defuse the Jong-Trump tensions. Escalation was working and is our biggest carrot due to Chinese interests of avoiding conflict.

We should have entered a tit-for-tat type of deal. Like "I'll stop war games if you show evidence of your arsenal to date, and then begin the process of shutting down facilities, to be monitored by independent watchdogs neither of the US nor NK."

And then the ultimate carrot: "We'll wipe out the DMZ and pull our troops back, if NK/SK can enter a mutable agreement of coexistence between the two nations." The ideal is NK/SK merging and while it won't be a complete democracy, it won't be under Chinese hands either.

I hope discussions along these lines is what took place.

 

I responded in full to your request.

You won't accept any answer other than singing the praises of Trump. We all know that. We see the lengths you go to to rationalize the stupidity, incompetence, and corruption, and the extreme effort you and your fellow Trumpsters go to to bend your necks to look the other way when he kissed Putin's ass.