Per Reuters, Putin suspects US intelligence funneled $400 million to Clinton

Obama was talking about missile defense and, yes, I agree it was deplorable. Whataboutism is a logical fallacy. The deplorable actions of one person do not justify another deplorable person's actions.

As for Hillary, the best thing about Trump will be that he defeated her in the election. After that, it all went downhill. I'm hoping he'll resign and let Pence take over.

 

Which of that came after we found out he was meddling in our democracy? What a silly argument lol

 

I’m not responsible for the views of every liberal.

 

Ya know... that may be 'the unthinkable'... and yet, I'm beginning to wonder if that isn't what's really going to happen after all....

Imagine: all these rabid, radical Democrats go into the rinse/spin cycle over Trump -- and then suddenly -- he's not there anymore! They'll have used up all their political capital with frothing, bug-eyed rallies against Trump, but after Trump bows out, they've got to face MIKE PENCE.

Juxtapose that with the reality of a close examination of what they have to run for the presidency in 2020. NOTHING that can be elected!

 

I like the idea of Mike Pence as POTUS. There'd be a better chance that the Republicans could work with him to formulate and pass effective legislation regarding the many issues facing our nation.

 

I'm coming to the same conclusion, Max, although with regret. I'd like to see Trump get Brett Kavanaugh safely on the Supreme Court, and then say goodbye, wishing us all a Merry Christmas.

Trump is a smart man -- he took 140 million bucks he inherited and made BILLIONS out of it. He knows business. Maybe he could step down and become Secretary of Commerce. Ooh! The Chinese would hate that!

 

Then you are an exception to most liberals who do view the CIA and the MIC as having a symbiotic relation.

 

Agreed on Pence. Not so sure about how great a businessman he is. From his antics over the past two years, he seems like a very successful conman. I doubt the Chinese are gullible enough to fall for a New York hustle.

Remember his pitch about his products? Most of which he doesn't even own as even Fox News acknowledges.

https://www.vox.com/2016/3/9/11185282/donald-trump-wine-water-vodka-speech

Spoiler: Trump pitches products

Donald Trump spent election night pitching Trump products that you can’t buy anymore
By Libby Nelson@libbyanelson Mar 9, 2016, 10:00am ESTSHARE

Donald Trump flanked by Trump wine and Trump water at a Trump press conference.
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Donald Trump's election night Tuesday culminated in one of the strangest victory speeches in American political history: an infomercial, carried live by the three major cable networks, for Trump-brand products.

As he swept to victory in the Michigan, Mississippi, and Hawaii primaries and caucuses, Trump used his press conference to talk about Trump steaks. And Trump bottled water. And Trump vodka. And Trump Magazine.

This was all aimed at Mitt Romney, whose anti-Trump speech last week apparently rankled not because Romney called Trump a misogynist and a bully, but because he implied some of Trump's companies were unsuccessful.

"I have very successful companies," Trump said. "I'm going to do this in about two seconds, but let me explain." It took more than two seconds. And most of the products Trump tried to defend have been discontinued. Not only was Trump producing an election night infomercial — it was an infomercial for products you can't buy anymore.

Trump steaks were discontinued after mixed reviews
"We have Trump steaks," Trump said proudly Tuesday night, joking that if anyone wanted one, they would cost "$50 a steak." (He'd initially called them "the world's greatest steaks" — "the best-tasting, most flavorful beef you've ever had.")

But the steaks he displayed were actually, as editor Greg Pollowitz at the conservative site Twitchy pointed out, from West Palm Beach's Bush Brothers:

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"I understand steaks. It's my favorite food," Trump said in his initial pitch. "And these are the best." Sharper Image no longer carries Trump steaks. Neither does QVC, which also sold the steaks.

Reviews of Trump steaks were, um, mixed. About half of the reviewers on QVC.com loved them. The other half said Trump had promised them a healthy steak and instead given them a fat-laden, tasteless grease bomb.

"I am no stranger to Angus beef and high quality lean cuts of meat — having a butcher in the family," one wrote. "I believe his burgers are not what they say they are."

Trump publishes a magazine, but it's not Trump Magazine

The real Trump Magazine, before it ceased publication.
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Trump also waved around a copy of what he said was Trump Magazine, which Romney said was also discontinued. And Romney was right: Trump Magazine, whose creative director described it to the New York Daily News as "wealth porn," ceased publication in 2009.

But before it folded, its cover lines, under the tagline "Think big. Live large," included "Come fly with me: Designer jets," "Over the top yachts," and — really — "Bubble? What bubble? Real estate tips from Trump U."

Last night, though, Trump was brandishing the Jewel of Palm Beach, described as "the exclusive publication of Donald J. Trump's spectacular Mar-a-Lago Club." That is not quite the same thing as a glossy luxury lifestyle magazine.

Trump vodka was also discontinued
Trump also touted his vodka — which has also been discontinued. But Trump vodka, while it was still being made and packaged in a skyscraper-like bottle, got mixed reviews online (and a recommendation that it be used mostly in mixed drinks).

"The finish is disappointingly harsh with a lasting burn that is also nearly transparent," About.com wrote in 2007.

"Trump is the most bizarre tasting vodka I’ve ever tasted," VodkaBuzz wrote. "If you’re going with Trump, go with a cocktail, and do it at the most upscale bar or club you can get into."

Trump vodka was discontinued in 2011. Bottles on eBay are now being sold as collectors' items.

Trump water and wine are still around

Trump wine, Trump water, Trump Secret Service.
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The two products Trump could brag about were Trump bottled water and Trump wine, which he served at the press conference. But Trump, who doesn't drink, doesn't have much to do with his winery, near Charlottesville, Virginia. It's run by by his son, Eric.

And the wine gets pretty decent reviews: 14/20 from Gayot for the 2012 Chardonnay and an 89 from Wine Enthusiast. The most entertaining sum-up, though, is from VinePair: "You can tell money went into this wine. It tastes expensive but it has no soul."

But don't worry: Trump promises he will be "very presidential"
The impromptu infomercial was Trump's campaign strategy in a nutshell: Doing something that had never been done before, and getting tons of free media in the process. The cable networks preempted Hillary Clinton's speech for Trump's press conference. All told, it was worth millions of dollars in free media.

But Trump also tried to reassure his viewers that he wouldn't be doing this in the White House, and that his current personality is just an artifact of the contested campaign.

"I can be more presidential than anybody," Trump said. "When I have 16 people coming at me from 16 different angles, you don't want to be so presidential. You have to win; you have to beat them back. I would be more presidential … than anybody but the great Abe Lincoln. He was very presidential. Right?"

http://www.foxnews.com/food-drink/2...teaks-real-deal-with-trump-s-food-empire.html
Can you really buy Trump steaks? The real deal with Trump’s food empire

 

Spoken like a true Russian sympathizer.

Two for one ... or so you think. You get to change the subject from Trump's treasonous behavior on Monday. During that news conference, Trump acted like a Putin puppet.

So, you, as a Russian sympathizer and a Trump fan, are telling us all about accusations made by the communist dictator.

Where are you from?

 

Trump went on to say he holds his Russian counterpart Vladimir Putin personally responsible for Moscow's attempts to interfere in the 2016 US election. In an interview with CBS News anchor Jeff Glor, Trump said Putin was culpable as Russia's leader. "I would because he’s in charge of the country just like I consider myself to be responsible for things that happen in this country," Trump said. "So certainly as the leader of the country you would have to hold him responsible."

Trump lied. That is not what he said.

At the news conference on Monday while facing Putin Trump said, "My people came to me, Dan Coats came to me, some others, they said they think it's Russia. I have President Putin. He just said it's not Russia. I will say this, I don't see any reason why it would be. I have great confidence in my intelligence people, but I will tell you that President Putin was extremely strong and powerful in his denial."

In addition to his other faults, Trump is coward. It is one thing to appear on television in Washington facing one pathetic reporter who was afraid to ask about the elephant in the room and quite another to face a bevy of savvy reporters and Putin in his own backyard and tell the Russian dictator he holds him personally responsible for Moscow's attempts to interfere in the 2016 US election.

Trump is a Russian sympathizer. His base remains solidly in support of him. Trump can do no wrong.

Logically, it follows his base consists of Russian sympathizers as well.

A quarter of Republicans and Republican-leaning independents (25%) said they had a favorable view of Putin, compared with just 9% of Democrats and Democratic leaners.
http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tan...s-on-trump-putin-and-the-countries-they-lead/

 

Clinton and Browder well known communist sympathizers.

 

You are badly misinformed...

 

Ya know you might be right Hillary is far more interested in the Empire of Hillary than the U.S. or Russia.

 

Yep, Donald Trump's companies have declared bankruptcy...more than four times

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-m...nald-trumps-companies-have-declared-bankrupt/

The story of Donald Trump's Atlantic City comeback is even worse than his collapse
He made millions by ripping off shareholders.

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2016/10/6/13163220/trump-hotels-and-casino-resorts

Federal court approves $25 million Trump University settlement

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/wh...5-million-trump-university-settlement-n845181

 

The bankruptcy protections have saved many corporations from going out of business. Saving many jobs in the process. GM and Chrysler just to name a couple.

 

Yes, you correctly observe that Trump's business activities have had large up's, and down's.... Good find!

Nevertheless, as I said, Trump inherited $140 million, and today is estimated to be worth at least $2.8 billion, according to Fortune:
http://fortune.com/2018/05/31/donald-trump-net-worth-drops/ . Contrast this achievement, based on simple, raw numbers against a different president, like Barack Obama, who never even held a job in the private sector -- and certainly never tried to start or run his own company!

Leftist snipes at Trump that accuse him of using his presidency to become richer are evidently not true (along with much of the rest of their cooked-up, manipulated propaganda). Again, according to Fortune, Donald Trump has lost $100,000,000 since becoming president....

. "Got me one of them easy-peasy teachin' gigs, man....

 

Pence and his family left his state on the hook for $21 million dollars in clean up costs for the family gas stations.

 

Are you saying it's better to keep Trump or go with Pence?

 

They both stink to high heaven.. Pence is a sleazy, Evangelical hypocrite who will sell out in a heartbeat.

 

So keep Trump?

 

Sell out how and to who?

 

Not so much up's and down's as being marked by fraud,

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/wh...5-million-trump-university-settlement-n845181

ripping off contractors, selling his name to be used in money laundering schemes,

https://www.newsweek.com/trump-drugs-corruption-panama-hotel-money-laundering-714891

and bilking shareholders of his defunct casino company.

"Donald Trump wants to run the American government. He has no prior experience in politics or government service, pointing instead to his career in business. But as the operator of mostly privately owned companies, Trump has primarily been in it just to enrich himself. A more illuminating aspect of Trump the businessperson was his stint as chair of a public traded company — a scenario in which he was supposed to be the steward of not just his own interests but those of the company’s shareholders.

What happened over the course of his decade at the helm of Trump Hotels & Casino Resorts is that he ran the company into the ground, immiserating shareholders while walking away with enormous bags of cash for himself.

Thanks to a leaked copy of his 1995 tax return, the basic story fact that Donald Trump built a mini empire of Atlantic City casinos that crashed and burned in the early 1990s is now well-known. What’s not yet well-understood by the public is the even more important story of what happened next. As Russ Buettner and Charles Bagli write in Wednesday’s New York Times, 1995 was also the year in which “Trump began the transaction that would eventually free him from his financial travails.”

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2016/10/6/13163220/trump-hotels-and-casino-resorts

https://www.americanprogress.org/issues/democracy/reports/2018/02/13/446576/cracking-the-shell/

 

OK,then, assuming that both Trump and Pence are evil-worms-crawling-in-sh*t, what is the alternative? A corrupt, reckless, stupid criminal like Hillary Clinton? America-hating socialists like Cory Booker, Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, or Bernie Sanders?

We're unlikely to be graced with presidents of the calibre of John F. Kennedy or Ronald Reagan again anytime in the foreseeable future... so, what do you expect? What do you want? Who do you want?

 

Given that we currently have a corrupt, reckless, stupid criminal in the Oval Office the first order of business is to allow him to run the country for as short a time as possible. If the next person is bad we'll deal with it at the appropriate time.

 

Mike Pence Is A Fraud - The Federalist

thefederalist.com/2016/07/14/mike-pence-is-a-fraud
Mike Pence Is A Fraud. ... As The Washington Post points out, congressman Pence voted for every free-trade bill he saw. He also: Voted yes on free-trade agreement ...