Per Reuters, Putin suspects US intelligence funneled $400 million to Clinton

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  1. spiritgide

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    Every person except the naive and foolish know that all nations with adequate resources to do it are seeking intelligence on all the others, all the time. On occasions where it's deemed possible, they try to alter the course of events or access to power in those other nations, to benefit their own. Standard operating policy- just as it is to deny that you are doing it.
     
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    As usual, still waiting for something of substance. Maybe try something in green?

    http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-m...-pants-fire-claim-about-400-million-donation/

    Refute it or keep your insults to yourself.
     
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  3. Max Rockatansky

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    Any allegations of malfeasance should be investigated.

    OTOH, unlike the pro-Putin/anti-American mob, I'm not quick to take the word of Vladimir Putin over the leaders of our own government.

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    Why you put more faith in the ever changing (and steadily collapsing) set of rationalization, distractions and denials that the right wing noise machine has manufactured and then abandoned to excuse Trump is beyond me.

    One thing that has been consistant since this issue was first raised is that each new revalation has added more substance to the probability that the Trump campaign and/or people close to Trump actively colluded with the Russians.

    Not once, has a new revelation supported the President's denials and distractions or those of the right wing media.

    You all started out denying that there was any Russian meddling (even as many of you gleefully reposted fake news websites that originated with Russians and repeated what you were fed by Sputnik and RT).

    Then you joined Trump's attacks on the intelligence community and the Justice Department.

    All the while, you keep trying to make it about Obama and Clinton, even though both are gone, and have nothing to do with the current state of affairs.

    Now, you're sheepishly admitting collusion, and doing your level best to ignore the growing mountain of evidence. Of course, you also ignore the rampant corruption that is a signature of this Administration as well. Not one of you commented on the departure of Scott Pruitt, even though you were all defending him just a day earlier!

    I haven't had to change my story one bit over the last two years. Not once. In fact, my case keeps getting stronger.
     
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  6. TomFitz

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    Yeah, that was written all over Putin's face as Trump talked on Tuesday!
     
  7. Max Rockatansky

    Max Rockatansky Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Unfortunately true. Putin craps all over the US and Trump just stood there and took it.
     
  8. dairyair

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    It is you playing games. You give 4 random links, non of which supports your claim.
    And then, when asked what in your 4th link supports it, you refuse to even say what in the link is, that supports your claim.
    Why, you can't?
     
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  9. dairyair

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    I did and do. We are masters at overt and covert operation into most of the world and trying to get puppets installed in gov't.
    Do we want tRUMP as Putins puppet? Because we try the same?

    Don't see what that has to do with you calling out a poster wrongly. KGB slug, Putin, still exists today. Even if the USSR and the KGB does not.
     
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  10. AmericanNationalist

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    We still don't have any evidence of Russian Collusion. Not even the Senate Intel Committee has said as much(The only thing they like chirping about, is the repetition that the Russians hacked into the DNC.) And I went into full detail on how it wasn't a 'hack' in the sense of the word as we know it. It was a phishing attack done because Podesta's an internet neophyte. I wouldn't have clicked the link, you wouldn't have clicked the link.

    And then the DNC staffers didn't bother to spellproof the recipient email address. REALLY? Pure incompetence allowed what happened to the DNC to happen. I wasn't defending Pruitt, I didn't care for him one way or another. His presence in government(no matter how self-serving) did not stop the government's operations or interrupted American daily life.

    I think what's frustrating for you and the Democratic Party is this: Deep down you know it doesn't make a difference. Deep down, you know you have no platform, whatsoever to attract the voters you lost. On top of that, you have the radical socialists who are trying to turn America into Venezuela.

    Even if Trump turned out to be everything that's been said: Criminal colluding with the Russians, the Democratic Party is less healthy than the Republicans.
     
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    Sure we should take the former head of the KGB and current president of Russia claims seriously along with his puppet and useful idiot Trump.
     
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  12. JusticeOne

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    Wouldn't surprise me one bit. The U.S. intelligence community has been after Trump even before he was elected. No wonder Trump bashes them every chance he gets.
     
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    "The U.S. intelligence community"? Wow. That's a lot of Americans. Tens of thousands. Why do you think they're all after Trump? Is he guilty of something?
     
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    I guess the main, and rather obvious point I was trying to make is that both the Soviet Union, AND its hooptie-do KGB failed! Yes, they failed! One last time, the KGB that Lt. Col. Vladski Putin was a functionary in in the old GDR (East Germany) failed! It doesn't exist, and it hasn't existed for 27 years -- precisely because it failed!

    When Putin grabbed up his family and went back to Russia after his job in East Germany "went away", he had to start all over, and his future did not look bright. You can read about him if you want to... I recommend (for accuracy, minus the 'hysteria' and propaganda/hatred) a book by Chris Hutchins simply entitled, "Putin". Link: https://www.amazon.com/Putin-Chris-...qid=1531936105&sr=8-1&keywords=putin+hutchins

    Hint: today's FSB, 'The Federal Security Service of the Russian Federation', bears almost no resemblance to the extinct KGB. The FSB is far more sophisticated, far better-equipped, with far better technology, and, as a consequence, is a far more potentially-dangerous intelligence agency for any other country to have to try to out-smart, or out-do... especially a bunch of "Keystone Cop" clowns like the FBI has been shown to be during the past two years....

    Examples:
    http://www.gctelegram.com/news/20180216/fbi-bungles-florida-shooting-case
    https://www.denverpost.com/2018/06/05/dancing-fbi-agent-shooting-victim-update
    and, of course, the FBI's biggest and most flagrant embarrassment de l'année:

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    [​IMG] .:party:
     
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    So far, it would appear that if Pootsky thinks this, then Pootsky is right! After all, we elected Idiot "W" Bush TWICE, and then, having learned nothing from that dismal experience, we elected Idiot Obama -- TWICE!

    With a track record like that, sixteen years of rule under the two worst presidents since Nixon and Lyndon Johnson, how would any leader of any other country in the world not be tempted to think we Americans are almost hopelessly STOOPID...?! :spin:

    Then along comes Donald Trump, trying to overcome the worse aspects of what Idiot Bush and Idiot Obama did to this country, and what happens? Rabid Democrats and piss-their-panties RINO's fight him tooth and nail! :rant:
     
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    Ah yes sarcasm and strawmen after all these years~
     
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    How is it a strawman? Were you not suggesting Comey broke the law?
     
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    Not all of them but a lot of the top dogs are and have been since before the election. Everybody laughed when he said his phone in Trump tower were tapped and it turns out they were. And it wasn't the Russians tapping them.
     
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    Comey did break the law and lied as well he claimed to be a republican now he is endorsing the entire democrat party.
     
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    Criminals all.
     
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    Lots of republican are lately.
    If Comey broke the law then trumps DOJ is incompetent or covering for him
     
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    Ahhh, it's a conspiracy. I love conspiracies! Too bad they're so hard to keep secret....like never. The larger the conspiracy, the quicker it leaks. That's just a fact of human nature.

    So, either the conspiracy theorists who believe the FBI, CIA, all the military intelligence agencies, etc are full of idiots who never question what their bosses are doing or they think the bosses themselves, are doing all of this on their own like when Obama was flying a C-130 solo to drop supplies to ISIS.
     
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    President's appoint leaders, but it the same careerists who are running the show regardless of the agency. IF Comey had committed a crime, why hasn't Sessions put this on the top of his priority list? Is he part of the conspiracy?
     
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    I bet she got a money order in the mail for 400m
     
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    With Hillary its possible.

    Time to investigate.
     

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