Guns & Stand Your Ground victory. Got a problem with that? video included.

Discussion in 'Gun Control' started by Moi621, Jul 20, 2018.

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Do YOU support this Stand Your Ground example of lethal gun defense?

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  2. No

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  1. Xenamnes

    Xenamnes Banned

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    Race baiting is the tactic of one who cannot demonstrate a sound, logical argument.

    One is not engaged in the act of retreat unless their back is turned.

    Don't let me stop you. Looks like you're having so much fun making up your own laws.... And your own video....[/QUOTE]
     
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    It was NOT a shove, it was a deliberate assault. If the shove is unexpected and violent, like the one in the video, does not come under a shove, it comes under violent assault. It was obvious after years of seeing this happen, that they BOTH would have beaten and kicked him if he had not the foresight to have a gun.
     
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    SiNNiK Well-Known Member

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    I'm saying that it sometimes deserves to be met with death.
     
  4. not2serious

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    When you are in a ground position, and the babe just got out of the car (why do you think she got out of the car??), there would be further trouble. He simply defended his person.
     
  5. SiNNiK

    SiNNiK Well-Known Member

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    Do you not realize we are in agreement?
     
  6. Golem

    Golem Well-Known Member Donor

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    There is not a single point I have not proven. For example, of the part you quote...

    http://www.politicalforum.com/index...-video-included.537928/page-7#post-1069383327

    You, on the other hand, seem to keep believing that making up your own laws is something more that intellectual self-gratification.

    Thanks for trying.... Or... not trying...
     
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    AlphaOmega Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    exactly...the video is there for anyone with eyes and a functioning brain. He only haulted when he saw the gun, prior to that he was going in for more an so was she. I wonder if his girlfriend feels guilty about getting her boyfriend killed because she was a lazy piece of **** parking in a handicap. I wonder what was so important in the convenient store that they had to park in a handi.
     
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  8. Moi621

    Moi621 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Drejka or Not

    No illegal parking in a disabled parking zone,

    No Problem.
     
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    Aphotic Banned

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    I dont know. Ask them?
     
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    Aphotic Banned

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    I agree.
     
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    Aphotic Banned

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    Nonsense and excusing shooting someone over it is absurd
     
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    Nonsense. I'm blaming the man who has a history of trying to escalate these incidents and achieved that the other day.

    You're ignoring evidence that provides context.

    Stop doing that.

    Drejka stopped being a victim the moment he became the aggressor. There was no need to shoot and it was not justified to shoot.
     
  13. Moi621

    Moi621 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    No I excuse the shooter because he was assaulted and dazed by his fall.
    It starts with physical contact.
    Remember the palmed waitress.


    Witness how "we" Jews can argue with one another with faces turning colors,
    maybe some lite for show spitting but no physical contact.


    More rage here.
    http://www.politicalforum.com/index.php?threads/road-rage.538192/



    My Ex was an above the knee amputee.
    I have little sympathy for those who abuse the disabled parking zones and their excuses.
    "Just a quick stop".
    "I will sit in the car and move if the space is needed".


    Moi :oldman:





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    Shoot looked fine, since when does the law require the victim to be a mind reader?
     
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    Exactly, anyone with a functioning brain.

    You just admitted that the "attacker" halted when he saw the gun. Right? So If showing the gun was enough to halt the attack. Why the need to shoot?

    The attack halted, so there was no more danger. You just admitted it in your post. Anyone with a functioning brain can see it, even you.
     
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    So you’re the same type of person as Drejka....got it ;)
     
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    You invented the "he was dazed by his fall" part. He had his gun and was aiming in a couple of seconds. And fom what I remember, Drejka said that he thought about not shooting when he saw the other man backing away, but then thought he could be atttacked again and shot. I'm not in his head, but considering the video and what he said, I highly doubt he was dazed
     
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    Will I shoot if you put your hands on me or mine?

    Yeah, probably.
     
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    I wonder how the people blaming the pushing would react if they were in a store and someone said : "A man is screaming at a woman outside." And you went out and saw that an angry man was standing next to your car, with two of your children in it. I bet you would just go : "Hey man, what's up?"

    Considering you would shoot someone for getting pushed. Then what would you do if you thought your family was being threatened?
     
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  20. Moi621

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    He was at a "dazed" level of consciousness for a few seconds of stillness.
    As he was regaining full consciousness, but not fully recovered he saw his attacker
    standing near him, the attacker's woman exiting the car and coming towards him and another man approaching. He feared for his well being and was in a compromised posture, he could not merely run away.

    You may not agree and probably don't, but that is Moi's take on it.
    Verdict: Innocent.

    Don't Zimmerman Drejka! :rant:


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    I already said to you that the evidence don't match your assertion : "You invented the "he was dazed by his fall" part. He had his gun and was aiming in a couple of seconds. And from what I remember, Drejka said that he thought about not shooting when he saw the other man backing away, but then thought he could be atttacked again and shot. I'm not in his head, but considering the video and what he said, I highly doubt he was dazed"

    And he never looked at the 3rd man near the store who was clearly not with "his attacker". And the woman was already out of the vehicule, she wasn't exiting and coming toward him. She barely moved. You seem to have a problem with facts.

    But what are you saying? That if he wasn't dazed, it wouldn't have been stand your ground and he should be thrown in jail? Is that it?
     
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  22. Moi621

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    The "dazed" part is evident by a few seconds of stillness after he took a fall having both
    feet off the ground from the assault.
    That is how I interpret that few seconds.
    And coming out of a "dazed" consciousness is still not up to normal.
    In this recovery period he feared for his well being as the assaulter stood near him
    in his compromised posture the shooter could not run away.
    And the attacker's woman was exiting their car walking towards him as was another man.


    Can you prove this interpretation is incorrect?
    And convince a jury he is not innocent?


    BTW I have not seen any reference regarding Drejka said.
    Appreciate the link.
    You might enjoy more "rage" here. http://www.politicalforum.com/index.php?threads/road-rage.538192/
     
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    Sorry, but you still miss the point. I don't care if the girl wore provocative cloths day after day, you still cannot blame her for the rape.
    The evidence is simple. Older man verbally reprimands woman for illegal parking and offers no type of physical violence, thug boyfriend attacks older man, so forceful the shove the man is knocked down to the ground while the woman is also getting out of the car. He fears for his physical safety, he cannot run as he is on the ground, so he fires one shot.
    Like I said before, I would not have a problem with someone shooting me if I assaulted them, I would deserve it. I don't assault people unnecessarily. If I do, it is my fault.
     
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    The attacker was just planning his next move. Had the guy with the gun tried to get up, the thug would have been on him like stink on poop. You lack real world experience. Like I said, you see these things through 22 years of playing music in knife and gun club bars. Your inexperience would end up getting you beaten, knifed or killed. People like this thug are unpredictable. He showed that when he knocked the older guy down. How many and what type of person would do that? YOU?? Go ask some cops what would have resonably happened if the guy had not fired. So learn a lesson in this day of CC carry, don't assault, rob, strong arm anyone if you value your life.
     
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    Oh yes, I know you are smart and got brains :)>)
     

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