Virginia-Based Imam Sulaiman Jalloh: Allah Willing, America Will Be a Muslim Nation

the ones coming from south of the border are almost all Christians, Mexico is 98% Christian, they are more Christian as a nation then here, don't hear anyone complaining, oh wait... that is the trump supporters, what do they have against Christians coming here?

 

On what do you base this?

 

We HAD a guy like that. He wasn't so much another religion as a SECULARIST and he was on our side, (well, actually BOTH sides but you can't be for America alone and have any street cred over there.) His name was Saddam Hussein. He was a Terrible Dictator Strongman but he was OUR TDS

Then he just HAD to misunderstand our saying it was ok to stop the Kuwaiti sideways drilling as being permission to annex Kuwait, and the rest is several decades of Mess O Potomia, and still counting.

 

that would create even more conflict, as much as if you tried to convert American Christians to another religion by force, people have to be allowed to choose their own religions, I think America's way is the best way, religious freedom for all

 

Haha...delusions of grandeur...not worried...

 

I don't think they mean by force though, but by like putting in a prophet or a Mahdi. I've often wondered what would happen if somebody like MLK would arise among the Palestinians, a guy totally committed to nonviolence and willing to die for it if need be. Conservative dogma about Islam being this totally and insanely violent faith notwithstanding it IS generally peaceful and has a strong and historic faction which looks upon nonviolence almost exactly like MLK did.

The Israelis would just kill him, I suppose.

 

yeah, sadly when things get tough, less civil, the religious nuts can get out of control, good people have to stand up and say.. enough

often at first they will try to ignore it as they don't want to seem anti-their religion, and I do not just mean Muslims, Christians and Buddhist and others too history has shown, just Muslims and Christians have the biggest numbers, so they have more fanatics even though a small percent of their believers

time seems to be the only real cure, people have to tire of it

 

I don't have a problem with this opinion I quoted but it's missing the real issue as usual. Most western countries have a great deal of separation of church and state already minus a few labels here and there like on the dollar bill and stuff. None of which effects how we are governed.

What the OPs assertion and the anti Muslim opinions are poorly arguing is this isn't about religion. This is about our culture and society itself. Christianity is waning, has been for slowly for over a hundred years... One could argue since our country was founded. Freedom of religion sounds great but ultimately that tolerance was Christianities downfall. Muslims and Jewish cultures and countries are intolerant for example. They are thriving and holding their own the same way they have for a thousand years nearly. Christianity hadn't had that type of intolerance since the Crusades.. Nor success and impact in the countries it was dominant.

I don't dislike Muslims or hate Islam. I just don't want them here in large numbers. They are tolerant of other religions until they can effect change and then they assimilate not integrate. It's not just a religion but a way to live life itself and a political apparatus and martial one. It's perfect in these aspects. What I don't like is its intolerance. It's treatment of gays or women and the fact you can't wipe your arse down instead of up and it not be an affront to Allah.

We have a living breathing example of what Muslims do once their population reaches 10% in the UK in just key areas right now. It's an absolute hot mess and startling in how fast they are assimilating and forcefully inserting Muslim values and culture into that country. Europe is next thanks to US warmongering in the ME.

So please all stop tit for tatting about this. It's common sense and just a tad of critical thinking skills. And my assessment is correct.

 

Have you ever been out of the US?

 

Before that Spain had the Visigoths.

Dhimmi tax is only paid by able bodied men who don't want to serve in the military... its a smaller tax than Muslims paid.

 

Nevertheless, Western society and Christianity benefitted greatly by a reformation that eluded Islam. To be clear, I don't credit that to Christianity, but instead to scientific enlightenment, classical liberalism, and secular government. But it is worth asking why Islam did not realize the same benefits from these ideas.

 

Because they got stuck with the Ottoman Empire.

 

I don't fear christians. They unlike many muslims don't live by anachronistic religious law that is by all appearances barbaric. If you cannot discern the difference, then get your brain examined. Has nothing to do with brown people but with the barbarity involved in that religion. It belongs in the 8th century along with the christianity of that era. Christianity reformed, but Islam is a long ways off from that. Give em another several hundred years and they might be fit for western culture. As of now, they are only fit for islamic culture. Middle eastern culture.

You guys will play the race card at every available opportunity, as a knee jerk, a thoughtless knee jerk. It is a perfectly reasonable and rational position to not to equate islam to christianity. In the 21st century.

We know what the president of turkey said about muslims in europe. So this is coming from more than just one muslim. Why wage war against western culture when you can outbreed it to become the majority? And if you do not think this is not being discussed within certain parts of islam, you are naive. So naive. Which creates your knee jerks.

 

Yes, among other things. This oppression of rational thought was and is not limited to the ottomans, though.

And the ottomans crushed these ideas in the name of Islam. The Catholic Church attempted such oppression, but failed. And their power was nothing to scoff at.

And here we are, 100 years after the fall of the ottoman empire, and the state of science in the Muslim world is still abysmal.

So it is time to examine and describe the motherlode of horrible ideas that is Islam and assist modern Muslims in reforming their religion. As much as I am a flaming liberal, I must say that liberals are failing miserably at this. Progressives should be taking the lead on condemning the horrible ideas of Islam and the fact that they still find purchase in muslim societies in the year 2018.

 

The Gulf states don't have the problem our creation science guys have.

 

I'm not sure what you mean by that.

 

Their museums and interactive geology exhibits are based in science not the Koran.

 

In Saudi Arabia it is illegal to teach evolution in schools. A creationist's paradise...

 

you do know child marriage is still legal in the USA, and there have been something like 200,000 child marriages in the last 20 yrs?

you do know male genital mutilation(circumcision) is legal in the US

turkey will never get admittance into the EU...

 

Totally untrue.. They have some fine universities in chemistry and petroleum science and they understand plate tectonics quite well.

 

There is very little FGM in the Gulf States..

Saudi Arabia is an ally of the US and has never recieved foreign aid from the US.. They BUY weapons.

 

Considering Christians in Russia have been responsible for some pretty reprehensible acts against gays...

 

At the height of the Inquisition, there were no Muslims in Spain, save for those hiding for their lives from the Inquisition.

 

That and the near destruction of their culture by the Mongols. One or another of the Khans killed every living thing in the formerly prosperous and populous Bamiyan Valley right down to the cats and they also destroyed the irrigation systems in Iraq that were the oldest in the world and haven't been rebuilt entirely yet.

For Christ's sake, WHERE do you guys get your ideas of what present Islam is like from? It sounds like a mishmash of FAUX TV, your evangelical pastor and every thing ever written about the worst abuses of ISIS (which is a heresy, despised by most Muslims even more than by us) , but mainly FAUX. Really, you HAVE to look into some sources that aren't owned by Rupert Murdoch.

Go to your local library. Look up:
The Islamic Enlightenment: The Modern Struggle Between Faith and Reason

Christopher de Bellaigue

Enjoy, and get back to us once you've read and digested a REAL source of information

 

The Inquisition was not in any way Muslims' fault. The Inquisition was started as a way for Christians to kill other Christians who didn't believe what the Catholic Church told them to believe.