The Necessity of Abortion

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  1. vman12

    vman12 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    So let me see if I understand your math. Just for my own clarity.

    We have 6 million pregnancies now, with 50% of people using no birth control, and 20% or so using withdrawal as "birth control".

    If we go to a method where people are responsible and use real birth control with a 97-99% success rate, we get:

    Triple the number of pregnancies we do now?

    Tell me more.
     
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    Sigh, what I’m saying is that the chances of getting pregnant from any single act of intercourse are tiny (birth control or no).

    Simply having sex cannot be seen as consenting to getting pregnant.
     
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    vman12 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Oh I see.

    You realized you were wrong and would like to try something a little less precise as an argument.
     
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    That’s literally been my argument this whole ****ing time.
     
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    vman12 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Yes except when called on to do simple math, you fail.

    This explains why you believe what you do, though.
     
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    You’re whole 10% argument ignores the fact that there are billions of acts of intercourse per year. The chances of any single act of intercourse resulting in pregnancy is tiny (regardless of if birth control is being used or not).

    Women who actually are on birth control hurts your argument even more. They take an already tiny chance and make it minuscule. They definitely cannot be said to be consenting to getting pregnant.

    And since you care so much about women being on birth control, can I assume you support having the government pay for it? It would cut down on the number of abortions.
     
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    You're the one that came up with 18 million pregnancies with 97-99% effective birth control, not me.

    And no, I don't believe other people should pay for your food or your birth control. You should get off your ass and pay for it yourself.

    Annual cost of birth control injections: $200.

    Have some ****ing self respect, get a job, stop expecting everyone else to pay for your (in the general sense) miserable existence.
     
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    Jesus ****ing Christ.

    18 billion plus acts of sexual intercourse per year in America. Birth control that is 99% effective means a 1% failure rate, right (you are pulling that number from your ass)?

    What’s 1% of 18 billion? Here’s a hint: I one upped you and gave you a 99.9% effective rate and it would still come out to 18 million a year.

    So you don’t actually care enough about abortions to actually pony up a few extra bucks per year in taxes by you would abrogate women’s body autonomy in a heartbeat if given the chance?
     
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    Let's go over this again!

    50% of women use NO birth control

    20% of women use "withdrawal" as a method of birth control

    As a result of this massive lack of effective birth control we get:

    6 million pregnancies per year.

    You're saying that if 100% of women use a method that is 97-99% effective we get:

    18 million pregnancies per year.

    And no, it's not my responsibility to pay for your birth control any more than it's my responsibility to pay for your rent.

    ****ing freeloaders.

    Sometimes I feel bad for leftists. So much fail in simple thinking.
     
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    Yes, you are finally getting it. Is 100% of women used a birth control with a 1% failure rate, given the number of acts of sexual intercourse per year in America, we would see upwards of 18 million pregnancies per year.

    If you aren’t willing to pay a couple bucks per year to cut down on abortions, then clearly you don’t really give a **** about it.
     
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    They started the greatest country in the history of the known universe.

    From scratch.
     
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    MAGA said:
    There is no number next to my like button.

    I never hide from a question."""""""""""""""""



    FoxHastings: The procedure and outcome of an abortion due to rape are EXACTLY the same as for an abortion due to consensual sex.

    So the fetus due to rape isn't "precious life" ?


    Why are you OK with killing a "child"(as you say) in one instance (rape) but not the other (consensual sex) ???



    HOW is the fetus different?






    WHY can't Anti-Choicers ever answer those questions..??
     
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    """"And no, it's not my responsibility to pay for your birth control any more than it's my responsibility to pay for your rent.""""


    ….and their pregnancy and abortion are NOT your responsibility either...
     
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    Yes they are. It's called welfare, $500 million to PP of taxpayer money, and Obamacare.
     
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    It isn't
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    Why is it Anti-Childers can't understand answers?
     
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    FoxHastings said:
    vman12 SAID """"And no, it's not my responsibility to pay for your birth control any more than it's my responsibility to pay for your rent.""""


    ….and their pregnancy and abortion are NOT your responsibility either...



    So you changed your mind and now it IS your responsibility???
     
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    No, I haven't changed anything.

    That's why I voted for Trump.
     
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    I see simple logic has evaded you again.

    Current status quo of 70% using nothing or withdrawal = 6 million

    100% using 97-99% effective solution = 18 million

    Sometimes I wonder why I bother trying.
     
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    So you believe that if a woman is raped she should be forced to bear the rapist's child.....and you don't think that's cruel and unfair to punish the woman for being raped ? ( like extremist Muslims do?)

    BTW, no one can understand answers that aren't there....and there is no such thing as an "Anti-Childer"....
     
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    Ya, you said two different things (opposites) but yes, I can see why from that why you would vote for Trump who does it all the time...
     
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    That is not what I said

    Should I have called you Anti-Life it Anti-Baby?

    You made up Anti-Choicer.
     
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    No, I didn't.

    It's not my responsibility, but the prior government decided to use my taxes for it anyway.

    In reality, paying for your birth control is not anyone else's responsibility, but our pathetic former government decided it should be.
     
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    Its actually because the chance of sex resulting in pregnancy is far lower than 1%, but you don't recognize that.
     
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    FoxHastings said:
    So you believe that if a woman is raped she should be forced to bear the rapist's child.....and you don't think that's cruel and unfair to punish the woman for being raped ? ( like extremist Muslims do?)

    BTW, no one can understand answers that aren't there....and there is no such thing as an "Anti-Childer"....




    Gee, ya kinda "missed" """So you believe that if a woman is raped she should be forced to bear the rapist's child.....and you don't think that's cruel and unfair to punish the woman for being raped ? ( like extremist Muslims do?)"""


    :) Great side step....



    "Anti-Choicer" is correct, they do not want women to have a choice ….period...
     
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    Pregnancy is not anyone else's responsibility either, nor is it their business...
     
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