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lol If it weren't dumbed down so much I might watch it myself.

 

I would too, but only if threatened with a gun to my head.

But consider: matters in Syria almost came to a head where the US basically threatened WWIII if the Syrians and Russians continued with their Idlib campaign. But the people of the West watch Strictly. Fiddling on the deck of the Titanic anyone?

 

You mean 'rearranging the deckchairs while Rome burns'? 'Mixed metaphors 'R Us'?

 

I came to the conclusion that TV was dead the day I got broadband in 2001 which corresponds with the last time I have a TV connected to an aerial lol.

I pay my TV license even though I do not watch it because I'm an idiot. I didn;t for a few years but the hassle you get was too much for me so I just paid it for a quiet life.

 

But it is what the OP claims is it not ? I mean if the US and those few European countries not sworn to Socialism are so so bad and evil - than Putin - their poor victim - has to be the knight.....half naked......but hey some ppl dig that too.

 

You did get one thing right ... Intel agencies are massive liars and creators of propaganda. NATO/US have been the aggressors on the world stage far more than Putin.

 

"world stage" includes those poor countries that border Russia ? 'cause they have a tale to tell.

 

So do the parents of children who were dragged over barbed wire fences until their flesh hung from their bones in El Salvador/ Guatemala.
So do the people of Nicaraqua as do the people of Chile.
The people gassed by Saddam have a tail to tell as to the East Timorese.
The hundreds of thousands killed by sanctions prior to the Iraq war and the hundreds of thousands killed during and after have a tale to tell.
The people of Libya have a tale to tell as to the people of Syria and Yemen.

 

All of these tell me all power leaders are the same, the proud Russian riding a horse naked - too.

 

I agree that both Powers do dirty deeds. Not sure what your proud Russian riding a horse naked allusion refers to.

 

Oh look there's also a BRITISH SECRET STATE... Lol...

 

Do you imagine this is something new - or even unusual, Peter? It's been in situ for well over one hundred years (probably a lot longer, in fact) although not always under that description as that particular term is far more recent.

 

We invented it!

 

What do you mean British secret state we never gave up control of you guys it was all for show. Everything is British secret state

God save the queen!

By the way back tax is owed, we are happy to take California in part payment and we'll keep the illegals but you have to take the progressives, we're better off with ISIS than those guys/gals/it's.

 

I bet you like to play poker Liberty Monkey

 

Why don't you have your evidences talk on that Dmitry?

 

Yo good yo... Nah nah yo good...

 

Because I assume you have the ability to read Peter. Might I be wrong? The fact is that this is so well known now that linking proof shouldn't be necessary. But then again there are always those (many here of course) who are a couple of decades behind the curve.

Take care Peter.

 

Do you here this @Pisa? If you do your immediate action is needed. I'm not joking, this is serious. We can't let people throw assumptions in public forums like this. It is illegalite as French communal societies call it. Come here and do your job, now!!!
Regards,

 

I here and I hear, but I lay the blame on you. A figment of conspiracy-laced imagination parading as absolute universal truth is not something that can be proved, so asking for proof is rather...well, let's leave it at that.

 

I wonder how much you know about the human psyche. Assuming large groups of people could act as one and keep the secret for years - and for generations - is preposterous enough. Pretending to know for a fact that large groups of people act as one and keep the secret - despite the secret being kept - is frankly kind of freakish superman-ish cult-like stuff, on a par with sightings of unicorns and gold pots at the end of the rainbow.

May I please have the list of the people in the deep state, starting one hundred years ago?

 

I know a fair bit about the human psyche. I trained with the intention of becoming a Jungian Analyst for many years.

I think you're overdoing the secrecy bit imo. There is secrecy and sometimes it lasts for a very long time. But eventually most things - but not all things - filter out into the public domain - although they may not be easy to find. For example there is the 100 year rule in both the UK and the US covering matters of the greatest secrecy and any breach of that would be most severely punished. Few people, understandably, would be prepared to suffer the consequences of such harsh punishments, so the human factor of survival kicks in.

Where breaches have occurred these have largely been related to state to state espionage and when trials take place the most sensitive parts of testimony is held in camera specifically to avoid the secrets from entering the public domain.

There are also the cases where the most sensitive of all state secrets are removed as the 100 year rule expires and moved to another location under the very strictest military access and control. These papers are never made public. I can supply a newspaper article covering the British end of this if you ask me to do so.

In regard to the British secret state that operated at least up to the late 1970's early 1980's (and quite likely still does), you'd need to read Carroll Quigley's The Anglo-American Establishment. Quigley was a highly regarded professor at Georgetown University and was part of that milieu and therefore was given access to the private papers of the CFR to study. These he used in his massive book Tragedy & Hope. But he made the unwise decision of writing approx. 15 pages that he should not have been put in the public domain - given the understanding he had with the CFR. He suffered for that.

So go ahead and read those two books and then we'll have a deeper discussion about the secret state, as there are other related matters we can factor into the discussion at that point.

 

Then you should know that the brain works with patterns. We see - and seek -patterns even where there are none.

Conspiracy is defined as a "secret plan by a group to do something unlawful or harmful". If the secret can't be kept, it's not a conspiracy, it's just a plan.

On the other hand, not every secret is evidence of conspiracy.

I'm not saying conspiracies don't exist. However, conspiracies that involve many people, spanning decades or more and huge territories, are just impossible. Even allowing for what you call "the human factor of surviving" (gossip, by the way, is also a "human factor of surviving" - that's why solitary confinement works so well), there's a huge number of variables involved, variables whose values at a given time and place nobody but a god could predict. Weather, for instance.

Quigley believed in a secret organization that used Round Table as a front group. You choose to believe Quigley. Others don't.

 

If you say so it must be true...

Secrets can be kept. But most things have a shelf life after which the need for secrecy is no longer critical. I also don't really buy the definition you quoted. It's far too narrow as is the quote to doing something "unlawful or harmful" - although valid up to a point only.

Conspiracies take place for perfectly good and understandable reasons in the eyes of those conspiring and others too - for example the 20 July 1944 bomb plot against Hitler by Claus von Stauffenberg and associates which was aimed at bringing an end to WWII by means of a Coup d'etat. Ditto Die Wiesse Rose group of intellectuals that also opposed Hitler but who avoided violent means.

Conspiracies exists in every day life all the time. It is fool hardly to think otherwise. It is an ingrained human trait.

On your point that "conspiracies that involve many people, spanning decades...". If you'd care to read the two books I provide details of you'd come to understand, I think, that this can and does happen.

However, let me provide another example.

Prior to WWII, there were a great many Hitler / Nazi sympathisers in positions of great power and influence in the UK. They included a great many aristocrats, some royals and other leading figures. They organised themselves under the aegis of The Right Club. When the war started in 1939 this club was forcibly closed and the leader Archibald Ramsay imprisoned. The membership roll of the Right Club remained publicly unknown until a small book was published in 2010 (HERE) 70 years later . That book listed the names of just under 300 members, one of whom I personally knew well and liked - and was mightily surprised when I saw his name listed. However, the actual membership list extended to approx. 6,000 names. Over twenty years ago I spent some time negotiating with a former member of Her Majesty's Security Service, then retired, to obtain a copy. In the end, sadly, that didn't materialise - and so the full membership list still isn't known and now almost certainly never will be publicly.

Where British governments secrets go to hide forever is inside a protected facility inside a highly secure and fenced part of HMGCC, Hanslope Park in Buckinghamshire, which is also where codebreaker Alan Turing worked (HERE and HERE).

You haven't read the books I listed for you earlier. Read them first and then comment -- rather than the other way around. You earlier asked for names of those involved in an enduring conspiracy and I provided the source of a great many for you. Instead you prefer to form an instant judgement based on a fragmentary snippet of information you gleaned from a brief Google search yesterday in order to respond to this thread. This cannot be taken seriously.

Unfortunately, a whole school of conspiracists have arisen around Quigley's two books and they likewise take fragments of his writings that they likewise read on the internet and not actually read for themselves (this is an iniquity of laziness that is wide and deep imo). This school started in the late 1990's and early 2000's. Before then Quigley was barely known and then only usually by scholars and the more informed researchers who had an interest in these subjects.

 

https://psychologenie.com/apophenia-meaning-examples

https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/reality-play/201207/being-amused-apophenia

https://www.scientificamerican.com/podcast/episode/brain-seeks-patterns-where-none-exi-08-10-03/

I didn't invent the definition of "conspiracy". It's out there in the dictionaries.

Your example clearly shows how our own biases influence our thinking. Yes, Hitler was the bad guy. But "unlawful" isn't a synonym for "the wrong thing to do". Unlawful means simply against the law of the land. Killing Hitler was against the law of the land at the time.

Yes, short term conspiracies involving few people.

No. There are too many variables whose values depend on circumstances beyond control. Often what seems like a conspiracy is just some people taking advantage of a situation they didn't create. It's called opportunism.

I have the books. I've never had the patience to read them from the beginning to the end. I'll try, but no promises.