Almost Half of U.S. Births Happen Outside Marriage, Signaling Cultural Shift

None of that comes from a piece of paper

 

I really don't understand why you'd want to ruin your life with a long-term contractual relationship.

 

1. So human nature would be different when one was talking about divorce? I find that improbable.
2. As far as your unreported abuse claim if it’s unreported it’s an unverifiable claim and in being so it is useless to this argument I only deal of verifiable facts like that abuse is the 10th cause of divorce. Why so concerned with abuse and not infedelity?

 

Nope, all nonsense contrived to snap-fit to a narrative, probably borne of religion.

No, divorces are up, because women have become more empowered.

And still you demonstrated no increase to show a correlation, despite insisting this is true based on a gut feeling.. So you provided no support for your claim, real or imagined.

again, I named abuse as only a reason, not a top reason. But you cherry picked that instead as my "big reason" (dishonesty by you), and completely sidestepped the actual "main" reason I stated. And you continue to do so.

here is what it looks like when a point is supported by actual, empirical evidence (note: I do not have to make any eaps based on my gut feelings, and correlation is demonstrated.... quite a contrast to the trickery you are trying to pull):

https://www.jstor.org/stable/27640833?seq=1#page_scan_tab_contents

 

1. Im being dishonest yet you are telling me where my ideas come from? Your telling me statistics and physiology are gut feelings yet your theory that the rise of divorce is because women are empowered isn’t?
2. Ok divorce rates are up because women are empower. I have 2 questions: what is your definition of empowerment and can you prove that empowerment is the reason with facts
3.The increase of what? Use of path of least resistance? Rise of divorce? I base it on the following: as marriages fail each subsequent marriage has a higher probability of failure( 1st marriage 50% divorce rate 2nd 67% 3rd 73%) and that tells me that those people aren’t addressing their own issues and that is where I invoke the principle of path of least resistance
4. I can’t read what you’ve shared

And finally you said this

Your the one who brought it up I merely should the statistics don’t back up that your scenario happens much. How is that dishonest? You said it

 

*sigh*

You haven't shown some correlation in general laziness to divorce rates. Which, even if you did, would still not demonstrate your very contrived and specific claim about a specific type of laziness.

I brought up lost of things. You cherry picked one, and called it my "big" reason... even though I not only brought up lots of things, bu t even explicitly stated something as my "big" reason. Which, of course, you have completely ignored.

yes, that is dishonest.

 

I talked about stability being a positive and you bring up stability abuse yet that isn’t a likely scenario base on statistics yet that’s the one you use.
Sigh ok here we go again based on statistics divorce rates are increasing. Based on statistics after each failed marriage each subsequent marriage has a higher likelihood of failure (1st 50% 2nd 67% 3rd 73%) therefore it is logical to infer that these people are toxic in marriage relationships. So then we ask the question why are they toxic, well the principle of path of least resistance comes to mind. I’ve established that that is part of human nature with previous posts. These toxic people use this principle and blame their failures on others and society doesn’t shun them it holds them up as being heroes instead.

 

Of course you would. Because after that many years you would have a Common Law marriage.

Most minor children don't give a rats ass whether their parents are happy in their marriage or not. They simply want the normalcy and predictability of their parents staying together.

The "children are better off if the parents are happy" is BS that people who get divorced trot out to convince themselves and others that a divorce in some way is to the benefit of the children.

And people who divorce don't generally move on to "live happily ever after". People who have divorced are an order of magnitude more likely to have second marriages that end in divorce as well.

 

I disagree. Religions have sought to control nookie, not just the birth of children. If it was the former then sex before marriage would be fine so long as there were no children, but the message from the Abrahamic religions was quite clear.

- No sex without marriage
- No marriage unless religiously approved

That message continues to this day with the abstinence only birth control message so popular with Christian fundamentalists.

 

I guess it depends on what you mean by "happy". A child growing up in a house where the parents are frequently fighting, sometimes frequently is going to have a very different experience to one growing up in a house where neither parent feels thrilled but there is a safe and secure environment for the children.

Regarding the "success" of second marriages. Divorcees are a self-selecting group, they've already demonstrated that they're not going to put up with an unsatisfactory relationship. It's hardly surprising that their divorce rates are higher.

 

Mankind as a whole goes through phases and stages just like individual kids do. The end result after some millennium will be a little more evolvement, more insight and understanding. At least I hope so!

 

People with that piece of paper divorce every day. It means nothing

 

Says studies and research. My 140lb wife isn't going to come close to the intimidation factor I, a 240lb male, will bring to the table of sons, especially when they become teens. Its why the vast majority of high school drop outs come from single mother homes.

 

No where did I say that ?..... But YOU seem to have the idea that if two people don't get along neither one can get along with anyone which is a totally illogical thing to think...

 

FoxHastings said: ↑
Again, what's your solution?

Forced marriages?

Make divorce illegal?

Preaching on street corners?

FORCING people to listen to your advice?



It's crazy to think that because two people stay together for 50 years they raised their children correctly...

Id din't say there was I ASKED a question which you still haven't answered:"


"""""Again, what's your solution?

Forced marriages?""""


SEE, THE LITTLE SQUIGGLY THING AT THE END OF A SENTENCE INDICATES A QUESTION.

There is none, people are free to do what they please whether you like it or not.

There, I answered your question but you can't answer mine....that's your fail

I don't think all "fathers" are clones and all alike...certainly some fathers are best being out of everyone's life and I know beautiful people who were raised by a single woman .





Ya know, women , who this thread wants to denigrate as useless without a man and terrible people who want to raise their own kids without a nasty bum around beating them...






There, I answered your question but you can't answer mine....that's your fail

Why can't you answer MY questions? I asked first ! At a LOSS?????

Again, what's your solution?

Forced marriages?

Make divorce illegal?

Preaching on street corners?

FORCING people to listen to your advice?


NO ANSWERS

 

AGAIN: A little sermon on how children do NOT need love or shelter or food they only need ONE thing , to stay in one place even if it's a living hell.



...hilarious considering how military families and families whose parents have to relocate for jobs move around and I doubt many turn into serial killers.


And NO answers to the post of mine that was quoted:



FoxHastings said: ↑
Again, what's your solution?

Forced marriages?

Make divorce illegal?

Preaching on street corners?

FORCING people to listen to your advice?



It's crazy to think that because two people stay together for 50 years they raised their children correctly..."""""



No response.....

 

You mean Black guns???

 

Getting s divorce is much more difficult than getting mad one day and saying cya.

 

FoxHastings said: ↑
It's crazy to think that because two people stay together for 50 years they raised their children correctly...

I'm talking about everyday l people....they vary widely.

My post is accurate and true:

FoxHastings said: ↑
It's crazy to think that because two people stay together for 50 years they raised their children correctly...

Now, try to address what I wrote....

 

I love it how people trot out the domestic abuse excuse for divorces so often when IIRC in actual divorce filings it is very seldom listed by women as the reason for a divorce.

People just can't admit that most often when people file for a divorce they are putting their own desires and (supposed) happiness ahead of the needs of others. Mainly their children.

 

Why do you continue to denigrate marriage as a "piece of paper"?

 

people don't 'need' a piece of paper to fall in love, they only need it to fall out of love, that's when their true nature/charactor come out in the open...

 

In ancient Rome the law stated

Mater semper certa est ("The mother is always certain")
pater semper incertus est ("The father is always uncertain")
pater est, quem nuptiae demonstrant ("the father is he to whom marriage points")

Biology, not religion

 

Because itbis the only thing they have to attack marriage or when the subject is fathers in the home they always go to the "well what about fathers who abuse their children"

 

And the poster to whom I was responding claims to be a marriage counselor

Vegas giants said: ↑
Marriage is not nearly as important as it once was