Almost Half of U.S. Births Happen Outside Marriage, Signaling Cultural Shift

Because people are attaching to much worth to the part of marriage that is just a piece of paper

 

Its simply not. Commitment and marriage can be separate issues

 

The government isn't being used as a substitute for parents but, in some cases, as support for CHILDREN.

I think governments should take care of their children who need help.

I guess if a person doesn't really care for those "precious lives" they'd be against this.


I still haven't seen anyone offer a solution.

But certainly if abortion is banned they'll be more of these children.

 

Why do you continue to denigrate it as "just a piece of paper"?

 

Not really. No relationship is AS committed without being formalized both legally and socially by the marriage contract.

 

Fun trivia, men are physically abused by women just as much as the other way around.

 

1st marriage divorce rate 50% 2nd 67% 3rd 73%.......... ya totally illogical to think that

 

Here’s an idea use your google thingamabob and type in the phrase what do kids need most? Odds are stability is going to come up the most. Everyone but you agrees sorry? Stability normalcy reliability that is what they need most it’s a fact but I have a feeling I could cite you all kinds of studies and you’d say everyone’s wrong but you

 

And ps that was a quote from the top website that came up when I typed in WHAT DO KIDS NEED MOST in google

 

That depends largely on the state in which you live. At one time my state (Arkansas) was one of the easiest to get divorced in while California was one of the hardest. So ironically we had more than our fair share of celebrities coming to Arkansas to get divorced.

On the other hand in California (back then) if one filed for a divorce but had sex with your ex spouse within one year the divorce was null and void.

 

And NO answers to the post of mine that was quoted:



FoxHastings said: ↑
Again, what's your solution?

Forced marriages?

Make divorce illegal?

Preaching on street corners?

FORCING people to listen to your advice?



It's crazy to think that because two people stay together for 50 years they raised their children correctly..."""""



No response.....

 

The reality is that marriage is changing because society is changing...particularly with regards to the economic conditions of women. Women got married because they had to for financial stability. That isn't as much the case anymore. Women are starting to outpace men in graduating from college and eventually the work force numbers will even out also. That means that a lot of young women...my daughters included...are making the decision to be single. My oldest kid has no reason to get married...she doesn't want children and she makes a lot of money and would be at financial risk in a marriage. I can't say I blame her. Things change and frankly, most women I know are excited by the changes. There's no doubt, however, that any change involves a reshuffling of societal norms and there's always short-term difficulties in working them out. There is a lot of backlash to women gaining more economic power and there are a lot of changes to family structure.

 

I think love had quite a bit to do with it as well rather than a cold blooded assessment of financial interests.

 

None of them good.

 

Yes, but you can be in a committed loving relationship without getting married. So there was both social and financial pressure to get married. Don't underestimate that women felt that in order to be stable and financially protected, they had to be married. I'm not trying to de-value love...just saying that love wasn't the most important driver for marriage for women. It was actually that they needed men in order to have a roof over their head and to eat. It was hard for women to make it on their own. That is no longer the case.

 

Lol no one said anything about forced anything... You brought that up dishonestly... So I’ll answer that question for the 2nd time now.... SOCIETY ON ITS OWN NEEDS TO RESEARCH THE STATISTICS OF SINGLE PARENT HOUSEHOLDS FAILURE RATES OF SECOND DIVORCE AND DO THE RIGHT THING AND SHUN THESE DIVORCE FOR THE CHILDRENS SAKE..

 

Well, you might not get it but its really great that my kids aren't forced to get married to be financially stable. They'll be highly educated, have their own careers and if they're in a long-term relationship..it will be out of choice, not need. That might not matter to you but for a lot of women, its like having the shackles taken off. I'm married, I adore my husband...but its important to me that I'm with him because I choose it, not because I'm a financial dependent. I have my own education, career and money. I've been married for a long time because my husband is the focus of my world...not because I need him to pay my way through life. I agree with you though that major shifts like this have adjustment times that can cause issues. That being said, women being educated and financially independent is a wonderful thing and very much worth the struggle. Its not surprising that you don't get what its like...you don't have the same perspective and only see the negative.

 

Any committed relationship short of marriage still "falls short of marriage".

 

You seriously think the majority of women just a few decades ago got married for "financial stability"?

Get real.

 

I agree in the legal sense but I disagree in the emotional sense. I know many, many people in long-term committed relationships who aren't married. And unfortunately, I know some married people that aren't committed to their spouse at all. What you're not understanding is that many younger people just don't believe that marriage isn't the institution for them...and that's perfectly ok. People that don't want to get married (or stay married) shouldn't be forced to. Marriage is becoming increasingly outdated for a lot of young people and that's completely their choice. I'm married but I would never recommended forcing someone to do it who doesn't want to.

 

lol...You don't need to take my word for it. Simply look up the income disparity numbers between men and women 30-40 years ago. There's a reason why alimony was created and is mostly awarded to women. This isn't really a revolutionary point.

 

OP, that is the trend. Remember back in the old days, Murphy Brown chewing out V.P Quayle over this subject?

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/01/26/arts/television/murphy-brown-dan-quayle.html

Dems agenda promotes a degenerate society. Since the dems run the airwaves it is more popular to be a degenerate than a conservative in America. Just how America has ended up...or I should say is progressing, with the helps of the progressives.

 

And NO answers to the post of mine that was quoted:



FoxHastings said: ↑
Again, what's your solution?

Forced marriages?

Make divorce illegal?

Preaching on street corners?

FORCING people to listen to your advice?

Oh, gosh, another one who doesn't seem to know what those squiggly things are at the end of sentences!

Those mean the sentence is a question. Do you know what a question is?

However to answer you, in your next paragraph you advocate for forcing people to stay married.

Not sure what "shun" means in this context but it sure looks like you want to force people to stay married.




OK, you have two more to go:

Preaching on street corners?

FORCING people to listen to your advice?

 

These are good questions. If younger people don't want to engage in marriages, then don't they have the right to make that decision? I'm not sure how or why I'm supposed to "shun" people that decide not to get married. And the last thing that a single parent household needs (and the large majority of those are women) is shame heaped upon their heads along with the other challenges they face. How about we pass severe financial penalty legislation for parents...both men and women who don't parent their children? I'd be down for that. And use the money to fund mentoring programs for kids so they can have the positive role models they need in their lives.

 

Yes, sad. But France, the EU, Spain, and Sweden are higher. Only Russia and Japan are lower.