Trump Says He Will Void Birthright Citizenship Law Through Executive Order

I suppose its good someone defends it. Republicans are suddenly not interested anymore. Well, some Republicans are, and some are not.

 

The 14th amendment declares a person born on US soil is US is a citizen. That is the Constitution, which is the supreme law of the land. You suggested the Congress can somehow override that without amending the Constitution, but it seems the ONLY thing they can do it redefine what "citizen" means.

Paul Ryan seems to understand this, but Sen Graham does not, and Trump obviously does not.

 

I live in Los Angeles (AKA the liberals petri dish) and the first two amendments are under attack here. I believe the entire constitution needs defending; not just the parts I agree with. The trick is opposing government power EVEN IF WE AGREE WITH WHAT THEY ARE DOING!

 

The 1st amendment is under attack by the president himself. He spends half his working hours (1.5 hrs per day) raving against the press. CA has issues with the 2nd, while us in FL do not.

 

They aren't "redefining" citizen. It's actually pretty hairy. Apparently, the mom giving birth inside the US borders (or on US land, like an embassy) has to be subject to the "Jurisdiction" of the US. As understood when the 14th was ratified, that means they weren't subject to another's jurisdiction, such as an ambassador from another Nation. Or as a Guatemalan national that illegally crosses the US border. Without Article 5 Amending, the Courts have been changing what the term as written at the time meant. So this thing isn't just about immigration but the right of USSC Justices to change the meaning of a framed term to suit their own desires.

 

Indeed, because we all recall when leftists not only repeatedly demanded that Barack Obama side step the Constitution for a variety of reasons but then that they cheered when he finally did so via Pen and Phone. Gosh, it's almost as if something has changed; but I can't imagine what.

 

Jurisdiction always meant the same thing, it means an area where you are subject to US laws, aka within US borders, or US embassy, or US vessel.

Even a tourist is within US jurisdiction while visiting, which means he/she will be judged by US laws when committing a crime. Likewise, they enjoy the same protections of the laws as others (except those specifically attributed to citizens, like voting rights).

 

You have it backwards

The 2nd is very clear

The 14th not so much

 

Luckily we have three branches of the government and checks and balances so that wont happen. The problems occur when one party controls all three branches.

 

Why do the righties and trumpettes have such a problem with reading comprehension?

Seriously. Maybe it’s their propensity to only defend and enforce laws with which they agree.

Bring this one on. I would love to have it as an issue to crucify the right.

 

You have it backwards. Yawn.

 

They just get dumber and crazier by the minute. Trump is dragging them all out right to the fringes.

 

Are you an anchor baby? Just curious why you care so much. This is the right thing to do for our country and you seem to be opposed to it.

 

Raving against the press is not the same thing as suppressing freedom of the press. At my gym, the TV is always on CNN. They spend most of their air time criticizing Trump. My son goes to one of the colleges that force people to the free speech zone if their words are not in line with the lefts. Meanwhile, anti-Trump rallies include students and staff alike.

 

And that's just what Trump wants. They'll claim he's lying, that he can't do it with an EO, etc. but all the while they'll be talking about it, gathering gradual public attention and then support for Constitutional change.

 

Not suppressed. Not yet anyway, but personally I have never seen such hostility against the press before, and I have lived on 3 continents.

 

SCOUS can re-define what the 14th means. In fact that re-define what anything in the constitution means.

 

He is. Children of illegals get deported. Children of people that come in legally get to be citizens. This makes sense to most people I am thinking.

 

Don't dish it out if you can't take it.

 

And why do you consider Trump to have ill-gotten gains? Please explain.

 

They interpret it, but the language is very clear in this case, so there is not much room to spin it.

 

Overrule? Any liberal governors contemplating this should consider what happened to Jefferson Davis.

 

They don't care. As a matter of fact it helps bring out Trumps true colors, so they probably don't mind at all.

 

Yes, I think if SC did something blatantly partisan like cancel a Constitutional amendment, the States would step in and correct their error, and justices could even end up getting impeached. I don't think the SC would do such thing thought, because it would take 5 of them to conspire.

 

No. I'm suggesting that the 14th Amendment doesn't declare that, and it's defined in 8 U.S. Code § 1401, which can be changed by Congress.