2018 Midterms: what have we learned

Yeah, the settlers who came to America also came with loads of indentured servants who did all the work for them, and then innovated chattel slavery in order to really kick back and relax. Gotta love those Christian values and work ethic!

 

Thats natural

Like two studs fighting over the same mare

Or two democrats fighting for the same seat in a primary

 

Meaning you think some settlers were letting their endentured servants lounge around in the shade listening to rap music while the indentured servants of other settlers did all the work?

Dont make me laugh

 

Meaning the MASTERS who owned these human beings as property, were able to live a much more comfortable aristocratic lifestyle. Such as the Washington family, which had many slaves and more land than any other Virginia family.

 

You logic is inadquate

You may not like the institution of indentured servants at Jamestown

But if some rich people had them and they worked then servant and master ate

If other settlers did not work to produce food and had no servants to work for them they did not eat

 

Yet those who did the best under Hitler were the Capitalists and Industrialists, some Socialist he was. Socialism was added to the name of the NSDAP, in order to try and steal left wing support from the Communists, but they had no Marxist dream. Marxism is about the temporary institution of Socialism under a dictator of the proletariat, and the transition to Communism would result in the withering away of the State. During the NEP phase of the Soviet Union they allowed some Private Ownership, but it was most cooperative enterprises and state owned in the Soviet Union. Under Nazi Germany, the Capitalists and Industrialists stayed in their place, there was no effort to emancipated the worker and give them ownership of the means of production. Instead, you had huge profits provided by the permanent war economy, that was intended to only benefit those of true German ancestry. Leftism is interested in equality, Right wing thought is obsessed with Social Hierarchy and no right wing regime was more obsessed with that then the Nazis. The Aryan people were to be at the pinnacle of this hierarchy, and Hitler wanted to create a broad base in order to do what he really wanted. Which was to create a vast racist land Empire, by invading and wiping out the Jewish Bolsheviks to the East and creating Libensraum for the Germans. Some communists did side with the Nazis, but it was mostly the Center and propertied classes that sided with the Nazis in fear of the Communists.

When the Center gives way, they choose to go to the fascists and not the Leftists historically. Fascists are not Socialists, they are the last line of defense for private property and Capitalism.

 

You are trying to extol the work ethic of men who owned other people as property and gave all the surplus of their labor to the master. And you think my logic is inadequate? Under Socialism there was universal employment, everyone worked, and all outcomes were tied to the workers production. The idea that it made them all lazy and not want to work is a long dead myth, the Soviets were many things but lazy they were not.

 

The fascist economic model is private ownership but central government control

Whereas communists want complete governemt ownership and control

As I said just two sides of the same socialist progressive coin

 

Trump did nothing of the sort.

You are uttering an alternative fact.

 

Yes

The rich guy produced enough to eat through his indentured servant

That offends your socialist sensibilites but it worked at the time

 

The Rich guy produced nothing! Lol! He sat on his butt while his servants labored and produced the goods or raw materials that the Master could then sell for a profit and keep 100% of the proceeds. Yes, the exploitation of human beings to produce a surplus not shared and enjoyed by the workers offends me. You are perfectly comfortable with slavery.

 

The “master” as you call him produced through his servants

The same as future farmers produce food with a mule or a tractor

The house thst worked was able to eat

 

That doesn't mean they both still aren't leftist. When you are for huge government the way you want it to be, anyone with a miniscule amount of dissent is a threat. Or do you think all Kings got along with one another even though they were of the same political mindset?

 

Does that also mean that Hillary will be held accountable? Are we going to demand that she be charged for destroying her E-mails she was told to turn over to the FBI? Are we going to have the old Attorney General, FBI and the IRS investigated for using their office to use against Conservative groups, and dropping charges against Hillary?

If Democrats cut the tax cut and put back on those regulations, will they take the blame when companies pack up and leave the country again, probably never coming back, as they can't trust the Democrats? Will they take responsibility, or blame the President for more service and part time jobs that can't pay a living wage? Seems obvious that they want to make people dependent on the government. You Libs complained about the trillion dollars ran up by Trump in almost two years, but said nothing of Obama running up nine trillion in eight years.

You say you want to rebuild America's infrastructure. You could start by finding those one million jobs Obama said were just waiting for him to get elected. If you actually do it, will we be using American labor and steel and not Chinese labor and steel as California and New York did several years ago? We would rather make jobs for Americans than Chinese.

 

Hillary whataboutism is defeatist for the right.

Ask some real questions.

 

Its always amazing to watch those who want bigger government and activist judges rail against slavery times. You guys do know without the courts, slavery wasn't made legal right? Big government, no matter how much you think your side is benevolent, leads to tyranny and slavery. More regulations, more government bureaucracies, unelected officials, and fearing that Trump has too much power as POTUS is really quite amusing to those who witnessed Obama doing exactly what the left whines about Trump.

 

Yeah, wouldn't want both sides to be held to the same standards right? Amazing how all we heard from Obama was "whataboutisms" during his 8 years of dismal economic policies. "But Buuuuuush...."

 

A mindless position...

 

Your response explains why the lefties lost the senate. While you are pondering my response, first look at all those that were involved with the Kavanaugh hearings.
Allow me to help with a clip from your favorite news source,


"Incumbent Senate Democrats in battleground states who opposed the Brett Kavanaugh Supreme Court nomination appeared to have paid a price on Election Day, with senators Heidi Heitkamp of North Dakota, Indiana's Joe Donnelly, Claire McCaskill of Missouri and Florida's Bill Nelson all suffering defeat.

In fact, every Democrat incumbent who opposed Kavanaugh in states rated "toss up" by Fox News lost their race. In contrast, the lone Democrat who voted for Kavanaugh, Sen. Joe Manchin of West Virginia, won his race."

 

But you are reaching...they were all up for re-election in red States. That would be the most important factor.

 

Now the GOP wants equivalency of standards when they did not before? Tough.

 

Where was this big government in the colonies and early United States. The government under the Constitution couldn't regulate commerce related to the slave trade for 20 years, and yet you claim it is caused by big government. What a joke, slavery was caused by BIG PROFITS not big government. That's why you have civilian militias in the South to protect against slave insurrection and runaways.

 

The rich guy is the one who put his money up to build a business he hopes will take off and make money. He doesn't come close to keeping 100$ of his proceeds. He doesn't just work 8 hours and go home and not worry about it till tomorrow. He has to make sure he is putting out a good product, he has to pay to have it advertised and make sure each department is working like it should. He's the one taking all the chances. If it fails, he loses all his money and has to start over again. That rich guy is the one creating jobs so guys like you can work it, get a check to buy your home, vehicle, put food on your table and get the little extra your family gets to enjoy. He doesn't need you, you need him. He can move that plant anywhere and hire help. If it isn't a skill trade job, he could probably pick just about anyone off the street to do your job. Depending on what he makes, he also not only has to put out a good product, but he has to price it so that he can compete with another company over seas that is making the same thing and they can make it a lot cheaper, because they hire cheaper help, pay fewer or no benefits and lower taxes. That just the way it is today with free trade. But you don't see any of that. You think your important to him and he needs you and should pay you a lot more, forget that he is facing stiff competition. You just look at things from your point of view. He is rich and your poor. He didn't start off rich. He took the chance, you didn't. You didn't want to do to make your life better, like go to college, learn a trade, sacrifice all your wants, save money and start your own business. Hold off having a bunch of kids till you get your career going. But you can't see that. All you see is my employer is rich and I'm not and it's all his fault. I'm important, he isn't.

 

The owner cannot build with workers.

Yes, equivalency exists between the two.

 

And who will receive the blame for not protecting the borders, and increasing taxes I wonder?