"Who's gonna pay for Medicare for all?" is either stupid or disingenuous

The poor children, all on the starvation diets of back bacon and poutine

 

not at all, although i believe in capitalism (to an extent), medical care shouldn't be capitalist... medicare/medicaid can not support itself when too many non-payers are 'collecting' it... those that think 'use the monies people pay for private insurance' are sadly mistaken, because they're assuming those people will continue to pay that same monthly premium just to get the same 'care' that other's would get for free...

 

You're not explaining how "make all medical personnel" work isn't slavery.

Have at it, son. If you can't, then maybe... maybe... you might be into slavery.

 

being on an hourly wage isn't slavery, way too many 'specialists' glance at your chart (without any visit to you) just to say to the 'ma' or the 'rn' you're correct, & then bill you (or your ins) $1000+ for 2 minutes work... why not a 'cap' on salary similar to sports, or is that slavery also...

 

No, you said "make".

Making people be on an hourly wage isn't slavery? Really?

 

Or there would be no MRI machines.

 

semantics...

 

well okay, that's like saying that when slaves were made to pick cotton, and some poor SOB out in the fields asked how "make me pick cotton" isn't slavery, the guy forcing him to pick cotton said "semantics".

Not an argument, dude.

Learn logic, then get back to me.

 

If that ever happens I’ll go to my veterinarian before a MD.

 

These people have no concept of freedom. They have never experienced it and are frightened to death of it. You can’t use freedom as an argument with them. It’s sick.

 

Sure. The free market is garbage. It’s not like it has produced just about every major advancement society depends on today.

 

No, they're just thinking about themselves. How can we get this guy who I want to work for me to work for me? It could be a plumber or anybody who they want to work for them. They're now down to saying they need slavery.

democrats being democrats

They understand freedom, so long as they are the ones who are free.

 

You missed the point if you don't cover the costs of the equipment no one will buy the equipment let alone use it. We don't have a free market approach to medicine in this country and haven't since the sixties. What we do have is an over bureaucratized mess whose primary purpose is to avoid lawsuits not necessarily to heal patients and all to frequently it fails at both. Adding more bureaucracy and lawyers as we did with Obama care is not going to fix it.

 

If done incorrectly it would be far to costly.

My thought as an individual with a B.S. in medical management and over 40 years of experience in the V.A. hospital system, private hospitals, consulting for nursing homes and managing private medical practices; is that those not yet eligible for Medicare or Medicaid could purchase insurance through a new "Part of Medicare". There would be a deductible, set coverage and low cost benefits that can be added on, such as Maternity, full dental, home health care, nursing home care, senior assisted living; they would have set costs in addition to the base premium.(not sure what method we should use to determine the base premium, age, adjusted gross income, and the like).

I believe, with this being the only health insurance options it would mean both healthy individuals, small businesses, corporations would purchase the coverage and as Obama care, individual mandate attempted to do the overall cost would be reduced and the profit could be used to keep medicare for those that become eligible for Part A, B and so on when attaining the required age.

It would not do away with the current Medicare taxes paid in by employees and employers. But the cost of the coverage would be far more affordable and employers would be able to give their employees raises to cover their cost of insurance. Thereby, fully deducting the tax, the increase in wages.

No pre-existing clause, benefits clearly stated and the same for all under the base plan. Same deductible. Only difference would be selecting special benefits. All providers covered, all providers paid based on cost of doing business in their location. Payment based on services provided.

The idea that you can measure payment based on outcome is not working. A provider cannot make their patient following instructions post-op or make sure they take the medications they are prescribed. They cannot control recurring hospital admissions where they unable to diagnose a patients illness but must discharge them under Medicare guidelines. Medicare can cut off payment for the patients care. The patient must protest the decision. Often hospitals and doctors eat the cost.

It is basically a modified universal system and think it could work.

 

Medicare for all ... very funny.

 

I believe I had a previous post in mind and took yours out of context. I agree with what you posted above.

Earlier posts (not yours) throughout this thread infer advances in medicine won’t occur without government involvement. That’s what I disagree with. My apologies.

 

On one level I agree. They are self serving.

I do truly believe most don’t want freedom. My evidence is every policy they advocate for decreases others freedom but their own as well. With freedom comes responsibility. They certainly don’t want that, do they?

 

Look at the demographics. They're huddled in cities where they will die if they don't have lots and lots of resources pouring into their cities. Without those resources, they die.

Of course they despise freedom!!!! If they wanted freedom, they'd move to the country where you either live or die by your own wits. Can you kill that buck with one shot without having to hump a mile into the forest, and then hump the carcass out?

They know they will die if they can't force us to work for them. This is why they are snowflakes. They know they're right on the edge of extinction, and that results in...
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racist, homophobe, buttmuch...

They know they are useless, so all they can do is either die or try to convince normal people that they are worth more than the air they breathe.

Sorry, just not worth it.

 

Good summary.

 

Tariffs are a negotiating chip, a temporary element of the process of achieving better long-term arrangement.

High healthcare prices have been increasing for a very long time, and show no signs of reversing- and they have accomplished nothing except to make lawyers fat and the practice of medicine mostly a defensive battle.

The short term view is invariably faulty; one must consider which road leads to good results, and which one just look easy at the moment.

 

Did you read my post above? It would not be the same as that for seniors on Medicare now or once age eligible. It would in essence be a large form of group insurance and take private unregulated health insurers out of the market. What do you all think?

 

Further off topic nonsensical and factless drivel duly noted and ignored for obvious reasons.

Wrong!

We can have Single Payer because it already exists in the Law of the Land.

All it requires is a simple amendment and everyone can have access to Medicare because the rightwing no longer gets to DICTATE than people with pre-existing conditions must suffer and/or die because of a lack of affordable healthcare.

 

Ironic coming from the purveyor of immigration strawmen!

 

Yet another load of bovine excrement!

Name all of the medical workers who provide Medicare services who are "forced to work for the government"?

You can't because they don't!

 

Just about everything you buy will increase in price as the tariffs take hold. Why do you ask that question? Who do you think pays tariffs?