"Who's gonna pay for Medicare for all?" is either stupid or disingenuous

I wasn't asking for a lefty prediction because I know how those always go. I was asking for something corresponding to reality.

 

thank you for sharing.

This is a realistic statement, a Republican statement, not a "lefty prediction" or a Trump flock prediction. Again, just who do you think will be paying the higher prices due to tariffs? Simple question. You don't know? It doesn't surprise me.

 

If there are tariffs, then obviously they will be placed on the consumer.

What you are doing (and quite disingenuously, I might add) is ignoring the threat or actual tariffs as a bargaining position. Tariffs are good for protecting local markets, and yes, that will mean higher prices in the short term. In the long term, you get Toyota building Toyotas in Kentucky.

But you know this, of course.

 

Once prices rise, the chances of them returning to the way they were are slim to none despite the achievement of the "chips".
Trump's pugnacious conduct is only serving to move our Allies and enemies toward each other and away from us.

 

But we’ve all lost the plot, to one extent or another. The real lesson of the report isn’t the particulars of its projections. It’s that moving to a single-payer system forces us to ask real questions about how it might be achieved and what the notable trade-offs would be. Those questions have gotten lost as the debate has devolved into a spat over budget tables and footnotes.

It doesn’t matter whether one think tank’s score of a particular single-payer bill that will never become law shows $50 trillion in new spending or $5 trillion in savings.

The pertinent questions for Medicare-for-all are whether the tax increases necessary to fund a single-payer program are politically tenable and how much providers would be paid under this new system. For the proposal’s opponents, they have to confront the possibility that a government-run health care system really could, with the right structure, save money while providing more care. The news media needs to grapple with how it would adjudicate what would be a nuanced debate over an unprecedented overhaul of the American social contract and our health care system.

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-poli...e-for-all-costs-bernie-sanders-mercatus-study

 

Of course, of course. What you don't know is that once prices rise they will never return to the way they were and Toyotas are already being produced in America, along with many other foreign car companies and appliance companies. The price increase is caused by the higher cost of parts and union wages and benefits. For example, Whirlpool, an all American company, is suffering due to the high cost of parts. Harley Davidson had to move production out of our country due to the higher cost of parts. And Trump has convinced flock members to boycott Harley. What a dope! Talk about biting your nose to spite your face. Harley may close down altogether. What are they supposed to do, stay here and not be competitive?

 

Obama care will come a long way to fix it if Obama care is fixed, which might have happened if Trump wasn't jealous of all things Obama.

 

No worries at all...Democrats have these magical things called money tree seeds and they can plant them everywhere. We can pay for EVERYONE'S healthcare, including everyone that comes here illegally

 

It would not be just insurance. It would be complete control including rationing of care to those deemed not worthy of wasting resources on.

 

Same old freeloaders looking for others to pay their share. Nothing more

 

In the sixties, health insurance was very inexpensive and companies gladly supplied it to their employees. That has changed as the cost
of health benefits has skyrocketed and now is a huge problem for business. The free market cost of health care skyrocketed for individuals also.

 

Do something different, try educating yourself.

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-poli...e-for-all-costs-bernie-sanders-mercatus-study

 

In the sixties leukemia and most other cancers were a death sentence. MRI machines, Ct scanners and a lot of other diagnostic tools did not exist and the average life expectancy was in the late sixties or low seventies and there weren't anywhere nearly as many ambulance chasers around and the bureaucratic overburden wasn't 10 percent of what it is now. And more importantly medicare and medicaid did not exist.

 

Returning them tot he way they are is not the goal- improving them is. If everything was fine, there would be no need to re-negotiate.
Conditions do indeed improve provided the right things happen. For example, 40 years ago is you could close a home mortgage at 6%, it was an incredible deal. 50 Years ago, 8% was a about the best you could do. 3 years ago you could get 3%.

However, these things do not change without some impetus. Loan numbers are moved by government's actions on fed interest rates, and by supply and demand in the housing industry. In the case of international trade, that is the process of first stating that the deal is not good enough. When they trade partner blows you off as they always will, you add the tariffs to get their attention; demonstrate that things ARE going to change and you have the power to take their advantage away. Funny how initially Trumps tariffs on Mexico and Canada were going to be disastrous, and now- we have a better deal with both, negotiated voluntarily. "Pretty please" does not work too well in the big world. I think most democrats fail to understand that, but then they are being told they are entitled and good deals should be automatic.

 

You want it paid for with taxes, so you can have your neighbors that earn more than you subsidize your share. Don't hide

 

Everything has changed--everything.

 

Of course it has but not a;ways for the better. Leukemia no longer is uniformly fatal for small children and that's great but medical bureaucracy now eats ten time more of the budget than once it did and medical billing has become a degreed specialty neither of these are good.

 

The deal with Mexico and Canada was a tweak of the old plan and If he had followed through with his threats, 5 million jobs that had been created here would have been reduced and we would have paid a price. Trump's pugnacious manner is what I am talking about because it has cost us some friends and our enemies have become closer. The increase in prices will not decrease to their old levels and the working middle class will be affected. Trump's crass manner has hurt our relations with other countries.

 

STOP rubbing your brain cells together!!!!

It KILLS them!!!!

The problem with Medicare for all is that the incredible masses of illegals and other aliens will overload and destroy the system.

The waiting times at the clinic are already far too long due to the multitude of brown and black mamas with their herds of children crowding the waiting rooms.

 

No doubt, and needs to be addressed. Insurance companies had no competition and arbitrarily raised prices, and the emergency rooms began to swell.

 

So, you don't like Trump, we understand that.
I once had a nephew who turned down a free first car because it wasn't cool enough. If everything were perfect, everybody would be happy. Let me know when you find someone who is. In the meantime, Trump has made more progress than the last two presidents put together is much less time. But by damn, he's not perfect, so lets just do nothing until we find one who is.

Or, we could use the old advice from 100 years ago- Lead, Follow, or GET THE HELL OUT OF THE WAY.

 

Hmm. I need another number shortcut for people without insurance.

3- thoughts & prayers for mass shooting victims
5- thoughts & prayers for those killed by illegals
7- thoughts & prayers for those that could have afforded health insurance but didn't get it.

 

I don't hear the free shitters asking for price controls on their jobs, just the jobs of peoples who's services and products they want.

 

There will always be a disparity in what people contribute to the "commons," like defense spending for example, based on the amount of taxes they pay. Why do you single out healthcare?

Perhaps because you don't see healthcare as an issue that can strengthen or weaken the country.............but you should.

 

Why do you want your neighbors to pay for you?